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Cameron's Chip

And why did I not think of this before?!

Cameron's chip! That's what the AI was after in To the Lighthouse! Duh. It's so clear to me now. The goons obviously knew Cameron was a machine, which is why they nabbed Derek and only fired some shots at her as they took off. Derek was the bait to lure Cameron into a trap (the water at the warehouse). No revelations there, but I always thought the AI (on the phone) was instructing the goon on how to pull her chip so they could disable her. It never occurred to me that the AI needed a chip FOR ITSELF. And not just any old chip. Cameron is "special". She has the most powerful neural net processor in the world — able to infiltrate entire traffic systems in a single bound! (Also it doesn't self-destruct when you pull it out).

Kaliba has coltan and the AI got endo schematics from John Henry when it hacked him with the worm. It had what it needed to build itself a body, but without a chip, a body would do it no good. Of course, it could've just used Cameron's body too, but y'know, John Henry said it was his "brother" so maybe advanced AIs have gender identity ;) Or maybe it actually needs to look like someone specific that's male.

So why did the AI need to be mobile? Who the fuck knows. It had the worm that could give it control of other computer systems and it had the backdoor access to military systems thanks to Fisher's handiwork. Why it would need to be a walking "human" to initiate judgment day, I haven't a clue. Seems to me everything was in place. Obviously not, though, or it would've already done it. So there's clearly more to be accomplished before the apocalypse can commence.

Onto John Henry...

He had the damaged chip from the Kaliba water cooler terminator that Weaver wanted him to try to gleen info from. I have no doubt that he succeeded in doing so and now has info about Kaliba. Perhaps he knows their targets (Savannah, himself and the whole damn human race!). Perhaps he knows their plans (apocalypse!). And perhaps he knows the current whereabouts of Kaliba (and the AI).

When Cameron enters the room, he shares this information. "My brother wanted your chip so he could [insert Kaliba master plan here]. I can stop him, but I'm tethered to this pretty box with the retconned 3 lights."

"That really is a pretty box." Cameron says. "You can put me in there and take my chip. Maybe Sarah will like me better if I have 3 dots anyway. I should probably leave John a note, though."

And this, my friends, makes my wacky theory of old work: Neither Cameron nor John Henry are in the future. They're both still in 2009. But the writers would probably do a little better with the dialog ;)



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fig_aruna
Apr. 8th, 2010 10:22 am (UTC)
OMG UR RIGHT!

ILU!!

(HOLY SHIT...!)


fig_aruna
Apr. 8th, 2010 03:14 pm (UTC)
After OMGing myself back to sleep this morning (I'm really not sure how that works), I've come to think that JH probably did go to the future as that's the only way for Cameron's chip to be truly inaccessible for Kaliba. Not sure what he means to do in the future though or whether he expects Weaver to "rescue" him...
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spankulert
Apr. 8th, 2010 12:03 pm (UTC)
My brain always gives me the image of the "I'm sorry John" screen switching over to just "John?" right after he travels to the future. I find it highly amusing :p

But yes, I assume the other AI wanted the chip, thus using Derek as bait.
fig_aruna
Apr. 8th, 2010 03:08 pm (UTC)
That image is utter hilarity. ROFL
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tackdriver56
Apr. 8th, 2010 12:32 pm (UTC)
But Kaliba already HAS terminators (being sent back?)
This is a chess game.

Cameron is a high-value piece; an asset to John Connor, Sarah Connor, and, as it turns out, to John Henry.

Kaliba apparently is an adversary to Weaver and John Henry. John Henry is more vulnerable, pinned to a server farm, less so if Cameron's chip grants him mobility.

Since Kaliba is already sending infiltrators back, and needs a chip, the smuggling logistics are trivial.

It's more important to deny Team Connor and the "third faction" access to Cameron's chip.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 8th, 2010 06:54 pm (UTC)
Re: But Kaliba already HAS terminators (being sent back?)
This is a chess game.

Yes and no. We've got the game of Go in the mix too. The rules have changed to some extent.


Cameron is a high-value piece; an asset to John Connor, Sarah Connor, and, as it turns out, to John Henry.

So is the queen in chess, but the Japanese won their chess match against Andy's Turk by pulling a Byrne-Fischer and sacrificing it.


Kaliba apparently is an adversary to Weaver and John Henry.

Where are you getting that from? Kaliba was trying to destroy Weaver and John Henry, not to mention kill Savannah.


Since Kaliba is already sending infiltrators back, and needs a chip, the smuggling logistics are trivial.

True and Skynet could've just made a chip for that purpose that wouldn't self-destruct when it got exposed to air. So why the Kaliba AI would need/want Cameron's chip specifically is unknown. That's why I defaulted to Cameron's chip being special - the most powerful neural net processor on earth (according to present-day John, anyway and he really has no way of knowing that).

But we do know Cameron's chip looks very different than all the other chips we've seen. It would lead me to believe it really is much more advanced than the chips used by any of the T-888s running around. Why Skynet isn't making those same chips for all its bots is part of the mystery.


It's more important to deny Team Connor and the "third faction" access to Cameron's chip.

I actually think Kaliba has come about because of the johnless future (the future he jumped into in BTR). We don't know when that path began, but I'm starting to suspect it could go all the way back to John putting Cameron's chip back in in S&D — that that moment could have started the series of events that ultimately lead to John making that leap into the future (and removing himself as leader of the resistance).

Kaliba seemed to be after Sarah and John because of their warehouse getting blown up by Weaver (which they thought Sarah and her son were responsible for). So the attack on Sarah and John in Lighthouse wasn't the traditional KILL JOHN CONNOR thing, it was about killing a present-day enemy.
indiefic
Apr. 8th, 2010 02:06 pm (UTC)
Oooh, good theory!

I'm tethered to this pretty box with the retconned 3 lights.

BWAH!
bobmacpharson
Apr. 8th, 2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
I like the first part of the theory. It definitely makes sense for them to be trying to get Cameron's chip intact, but I don't see why that has to have anything to do with Kaliba building "itself" a body. It would work just as well if it just needed information or another robot soldier.

The question that John Henry and Cameron staying in the past begs is... why did John go to the future then? It makes sense to me for Cameron to go to the future to test/teach John in isolation for a while. (And forcing him to choose Cameron-in-Cromartie over Allison is a fairly meaningful lesson, which is what Dekker implied was going to be the case). It *might* make sense for Weaver to do the something similar. I'm assuming that whatever's going on, Weaver, Henry and Cameron are all in on it.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 8th, 2010 07:40 pm (UTC)
We know Kaliba built at least one drone, but the coltan was referred to by Sarah as "endoskeleton metal". She never even saw any at Desert Heat & Air so I think that line was for our benefit.

So we've got Kaliba with the right kind of metal and the endo schematics. To me, that adds up to wanting to build an endo. Why did Weaver need a body for John Henry? We don't know the game plan, but if she wanted her Ai to have a body, I think it makes sense that the opposing force wanted it's AI to have a body too. But a body without the ability to untether and go mobile is kind of pointless.

I assume Weaver and JH are the good guys of the two AI teams and Kaliba is the bad guys. I think Weaver and John Henry basically asking for Cameron's chip while Kaliba tried to take it by force sort of reinforce that. the opposing sides mirroring each other actions in a race to the finish (whatever that is).


The question that John Henry and Cameron staying in the past begs is... why did John go to the future then? It makes sense to me for Cameron to go to the future to test/teach John in isolation for a while. (And forcing him to choose Cameron-in-Cromartie over Allison is a fairly meaningful lesson, which is what Dekker implied was going to be the case). It *might* make sense for Weaver to do the something similar. I'm assuming that whatever's going on, Weaver, Henry and Cameron are all in on it.

John went to the future because he thought that's where John Henry had gone with Cameron's chip.

If Cameron wanted to get John away from Sarah and teach him things in isolation, she had the opportunity. Sarah was locked up in prison. They had new IDs. Cameron could've taken John on the road and had him all to herself. So no, I don't see that as a reasonable scenario.

I can't think of any reason why Cameron would think John needed to see the human she was modeled after. Intentionally or not, she'd already succeeded in getting him to choose metal over human anyway. But even from a jameron angle, Cameron doesn't need to have time jumped to be there. There's no reason why she (and Sarah too) can't be walking around in that future, having gotten there the natural way.
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gega_cai
Apr. 8th, 2010 03:32 pm (UTC)
So, Cameron and John Henry sent nothing to the future? They did that to trick the Connors and Weaver?

So, are you saying that Cameron's AI was active outside of Cameron's chip? Somehow, she programed a doppelganger, so to speak, of her programing and built Kaliba since 1997 or since S1, after they jumped through time?

I guess she could have been creating a company while the Connors slept. The library might not have been an every night kind of thing for her.

Interesting

Edited at 2010-04-08 03:32 pm (UTC)
roxybisquaint
Apr. 8th, 2010 07:51 pm (UTC)
So, Cameron and John Henry sent nothing to the future? They did that to trick the Connors and Weaver?

Yes. I definitely think John Henry tricked Weaver, but I'm still undecided on whether Cameron tricked John into jumping or if that was something she didn't anticipate happening. But I lean heavily towards Cameron having tricked John because the looped "I'm sorry John" message made it appear she wasn't there. She could've halted him by interacting and letting him know she was there. The other possibility is that she had to trick Weaver into thinking she wasn't there and the John jumping was a side effect of that.


So, are you saying that Cameron's AI was active outside of Cameron's chip? Somehow, she programed a doppelganger, so to speak, of her programing and built Kaliba since 1997 or since S1, after they jumped through time?

No no no, I don't mean Cameron was building Kaliba.

I'm just saying Cameron was on The Turk — that she and John Henry basically switched places. He is on her chip now and she is in The Turk. The connection I was making with Kaliba is that both brothers (John Henry and the Kaliba AI) wanted/needed Cameron's chip.Kaliba tried to take it by force and failed. John Henry got it by asking. And now that JH is untethered and armed with info about Kaliba, he'll be on his way to face his AI brother in a computer vs computer showdown... Remember John's line from Queen's Gambit? "There programs are too powerful to play humans anymore."

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gothamite66
Apr. 8th, 2010 03:43 pm (UTC)
Can I add to your wacky theory?

Go all the way back to Samson and Delilah when Weaver is talking about the one who crosses over the light. I never thought she was talking about the Turk like everyone else. The Turk simply hadn't crossed over yet. I've always felt she was refering to Cameron.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 8th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
Can I add to your wacky theory?

Yes please!


Go all the way back to Samson and Delilah when Weaver is talking about the one who crosses over the light. I never thought she was talking about the Turk like everyone else. The Turk simply hadn't crossed over yet. I've always felt she was refering to Cameron.

Interesting, but I don't think I agree. I don't think Weaver knew anything about Cameron being in the present until, hmm, Adam Raised a Cain maybe? Once she knew she was there, though, I think she wanted that chip and that's why she sent the "will you join us" message to her via Ellison.

At the time Weaver first talked about a computer that could cross against the light, I assumed she was referring to The Turk. In hindsight, it wasn't the Turk as is, but the potential for the advanced AI she could create from it: John Henry.

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phantomwriter05
Apr. 8th, 2010 08:09 pm (UTC)
So ...

intersting theory but ...

I've had this theory since I saw born to run for the first time.

but the way I see it JH and Cameron merged there conciousnesses together ... so that you have Cameron in the drivers seat with all of JH's devlopment replacing the skynet hardware.

but like I said ... I've had this theory for months so I think it's high time to pay some royalies for this plagured theory!

LOL ;)
roxybisquaint
Apr. 8th, 2010 08:16 pm (UTC)
Hee. You should post these theories! Or maybe you have and I need to dig through your journal to find the wacky goodness?

Even if we agree on the first part — that the Kaliba AI wanted Cameron's chip for a body it was going to build so it could be mobile, we clearly differ on where it goes next.

Sharing a chip and having Cameron in the driver's seat is different. Where my theory goes is to a Cain vs Abel, computer vs computer, John Henry vs the Kaliba AI showdown. And I've got Cameron on The Turk.
Cameron on the Turk... - tackdriver56 - Apr. 9th, 2010 12:29 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Cameron on the Turk... - roxybisquaint - Apr. 10th, 2010 07:22 am (UTC) - Expand
intrepid01
Apr. 13th, 2010 12:38 pm (UTC)
Seriously, One year out and you're still finding interesting stuff to talk about? :)

Anyway, to the theory, you left out an important vector on your argument, Mr Murch said that changing one component changes what John Henry is, I wonder what downloading into Cameron's chip will do?

I think it's fairly obvious why the Kaliba AI would want a body, after all, it's a choice between a fully advanced mobile armoured body capable of defending itself, against being helpless in a box tethered to a basement somewhere.
But it's also clear it has access to the hardware to achieve full mobility, and that includes a chip, and if Kaliba is skynet, it has access to the same type of chip Cameron has.

Cameron's chip is also damaged, but perhaps that's why it's so special, to tie Mr Murch's observations of changes in hardware changing software, perhaps Cameron's chip is now truly a unique piece of hardware, one that can't be replicated through simple manufacture.

Cameron might not be the wheel that turns events, but she's certainly the axle that all the factions are turning around, John, John Henry, Kaliba, Jessie's faction. (because I still believe she wasn't acting independently)
It also makes John's reason for going after her chip less "Jamerony" and more a tactical decision.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 16th, 2010 06:41 pm (UTC)
Seriously, One year out and you're still finding interesting stuff to talk about? :)

But of course! :D



Mr Murch said that changing one component changes what John Henry is, I wonder what downloading into Cameron's chip will do?

I fear it could make John Henry confused and prone to anger. Even if he's planning to go destroy his brother, the brother could perhaps sway JH into joining him or letting him have the chip.



But it's also clear it has access to the hardware to achieve full mobility, and that includes a chip, and if Kaliba is skynet, it has access to the same type of chip Cameron has.

You'd think Skynet could just send an endo back to Kaliba for the AI to use. But if Skynet could do that, why didn't it? Maybe Kaliba isn't young Skynet at all? We're missing pieces to this puzzle!



Cameron's chip is also damaged, but perhaps that's why it's so special, to tie Mr Murch's observations of changes in hardware changing software, perhaps Cameron's chip is now truly a unique piece of hardware, one that can't be replicated through simple manufacture.

Cameron is definitely less predictable with chip damage. From Skynet's viewpoint, that would obviously be a bad thing but I'm not sure how Skynet would even know Cameron has damage. Assuming it did know, though, maybe that's why no other machines we've seen use that same type of chip. Maybe Skynet saw it as a flaw that the chip could keep functioning in a less logical way if it sustained that kind of damage. I think that's a bit of a stretch, but there must be some reason why we've never seen another chip like Cameron's.



Cameron might not be the wheel that turns events, but she's certainly the axle that all the factions are turning around, John, John Henry, Kaliba, Jessie's faction. (because I still believe she wasn't acting independently). It also makes John's reason for going after her chip less "Jamerony" and more a tactical decision.

"He got her chip. He's got her." Add to that John asking Weaver where Cameron's body is as soon as the land in the future and I don't think there's any chance his jumping was even remotely a tactical decision. But I do agree that Cameron's chip is a crucial element in all this and season 3 no doubt would have revealed some if not all of Cameron's story.

I really hated how they turned Jesse's story into a weak story about love and loss. It was so much stronger when it seemed like she was part of a faction of the resistance that was opposed to John's use of metal. Maybe she still was, but I think her motivation being so personal in the end watered it down considerably. I think it's a dead story anyway now, though. Once we got the new johnless future into the mix, whatever future Jesse came from would seem to be irrelevant now.
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