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Seriously, Fringe? Seriously?

So the Rambaldi device mystery machine is not just powered by Peter, it reacts to his feelings? And depending on which Olivia he loves, that's the universe that it won't destroy?



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Feb. 5th, 2011 05:34 am (UTC)
The folks at TWoP are making (shockingly) sane points about the way things will likely turn out, and the greater context of events and arcs and all that shit, but I'm still miffed by the scene alone. That's just not the way Fringe works (or should work). Compressing complicated situations and characters into overly-simplified caricatures for the sake of a plot device?

Or maybe that's just the way Sam Weiss thinks. Maybe he's full of shit.

I don't know; I just hope the show makes a turn for the smart and not the dumb displayed here.

Feb. 5th, 2011 05:59 am (UTC)
Even though I've been with Fringe since the beginning, I haven't loved it every step of the way. Maybe because of that I'm less likely to give it the benefit of the doubt in a moment like that bowling alley scene.

I too hope it takes a turn for the smart. I hate that I'm already rolling my eyes in anticipation of the remainder of the season. Hopefully some reading at TWoP can change my perspective.
Feb. 5th, 2011 06:08 am (UTC)
Yeeeeah, I kind of hate and love that at the same time. Mostly because I can't just hate since Fringe is generally too awesome to be that...terrible?
Feb. 6th, 2011 03:20 am (UTC)
With the ratings on shaky ground this season, I can't imagine they'd pretend to have a silly plot point like that just so they could a-ha! us later, but maybe they really are just messing with us. Regardless, I'm sure it'll be a little more complex and interesting than Peter making an Olivia choice. Probably. Hopefully.
Feb. 5th, 2011 02:40 pm (UTC)
Oh sweet merciful jesus, seriously?!

*hangs head in shame* I've fallen behind with Fringe. I haven't seen the last three episodes and reading about them over on TWOP, I just can't summon up enough enthusiasm to go and find them.

Peter, Peter, Peter, ad nauseum. Didn't we do this dance last season already? I've tried to love the show, I really have but I think I must come to terms with the fact that I just don't! Maybe I'll have a Fringe!Binge and catch up but I'm really not holding my breath...
Feb. 6th, 2011 05:38 am (UTC)
Yes, seriously.

I can see why you've fallen behind. I think I've liked this season more than last season because Olivia's back in play (even if she's been fauxlivia half the time), but the relationship being pushed into the center of everything is a rather disappointing turn.

At this point, I don't even know if I've got anything at stake in this show because I'm not invested at all in the Peter/Olivia relationship. It wasn't developed well enough for me to care. Maybe it plays better to people who watch the show for the ship? If the show continues down the path it seems to have set up now, I can't see myself being happy with the season (series?) finale.
Feb. 5th, 2011 04:28 pm (UTC)
It's all very wtf.

I just kind of assumed Sam Weiss is full of shit.
Feb. 6th, 2011 05:54 am (UTC)
It would be nice if he was playing Nina, but wouldn't that mean he's trying to get Nina to play matchmaker? If Nina thinks the fate of the universe she's in depends on Peter having feelings for Olivia, then she's going to want Peter and Olivia to get together. That leaves us basically where we are now anyway, right?

I guess the real question is why it's so important for Peter and Olivia to be together. It's a question that I don't care so much about. The show could surprise me though, and there could be some amazing story ahead that will make me care. I really hope so, but I think the story is heading towards saving both universes... because of love. Aw, so sweet. *punch*
Feb. 6th, 2011 01:07 am (UTC)
I hate the whole “emotions can determine the universe” plotlines in any story, it’s too Japanese for me to usually stomach, but I seem to forgive Fringe a lot of these moments because it’s just too awesome.

This show loves to inflict pain on its main characters and I take a perverse pleasure in it, take Olivia for example, she’s so worried about the fact the other Olivia is a better version than her, she has overlooked the fact that since she also has her memories and experiences she is the sum total of the two, but she is so damaged she sublimates the very part that can help herself.

But it’s so obviously still there; the very fact that average shooter Olivia became Olympic standard shooter Olivia proved that!
Feb. 6th, 2011 06:02 am (UTC)
I keep forgetting she's still got fauxlivia's memories. You'd think that would be affecting her more! I guess it'll come more into play as the finale closes in. Wasn't she always a crack shot, though? That was a great shot she made in this episode, but it didn't jump out at me as something Olivia couldn't do before. I'm not sure it would make sense for a physical skill to translate through memory anyway.
Feb. 6th, 2011 07:12 am (UTC)
Well, they did make a point in asking her how good of a shot she was and the answer she gave was less than enthusiastic.

The point is Fauxlivia “was” a crack shot, an important difference between them, that was not a revelation because when Olivia was brainwashed with her others memories she had all her others skillsets as well, she just rejects that part of her now because she wants to differentiate herself from what she considers an imposter and because she hates how Fauxlivia so easily took over her life without anyone noticing.

But it’s still all there, lurking in her subconscious and I’m taking the “shot” she made as proof we were meant to see that it was all still there.
Feb. 12th, 2011 08:02 pm (UTC)
Fair enough. I guess we're supposed to believe that getting someone's memories gives us the skills and feelings and everything. I give the show a pass on most of its other silly science, I guess I can allow that too ;)

Now I have to wonder why Olivia isn't more conflicted about her feelings for Peter. I don't buy so much angst over such a short-term relationship anyway, but I think we're supposed to believe Olivia really cared about Peter. Since she has Fauxlivia's memories, shouldn't she also really care about Fauxlivia's boyfriend? Or maybe Faulivia never cared about her boyfriend at all?

Argh I think making Fringe all about Peter/Olivia (and Fauxlivia) is where the show has gone very wrong. Used to love this show. Why did they have to go and do this?
Feb. 6th, 2011 07:04 am (UTC)
Roxy! First of all: also hi! :)

How I have missed you. How did I lose track?!

Last night's Fringe (3x12) got both a Tweet and a TWoP* post out of me -- that's how much it pissed me off.

How do I admire you?
1) You noticed that the crack shot thing is a retcon of a retcon. Oy.
2) You noticed that Olivia got pushed to the side in S2. Man, I spent much of last year thinking I had a neuro-psycho-disorder (or something) because no one else would admit to noticing.

*sigh* After the beautiful high of the first half of this season, I am experiencing a serious and major crash. This Luv Triangle crap... killing me. Lovesick Olivia?! Blergh. First time(s) that we see Liv and Astrid have 'personal' talks and it's All.About.Peter? I'm speechless. Way to go anti-Bechdel there, Fringe writers!

Yes, I'm one of those crazy TWoP-posters screeching about this ep. However, I'm doing a good job avoiding the 'main character'/'this is high literature, you heathens!'lecture-bait. I'm proud of myself. :)

Feb. 9th, 2011 04:57 am (UTC)
After I first posted this, I went over to TWoP and read the whole thread. I felt a sense of calm when I read your post, but it was rather amusing that a few posts after it was something like "Do some people actually think Olivia is the main character?" *headdesk*

So you didn't get into it with that poster? LOL. I almost jumped into the conversation, but I thought it would be weird for me to dive in and grumble when I haven't posted over there in ages. I probably should do more than lurk at TWoP, though. I haven't had some good message board interaction in a while and I miss it.

We're not crazy are we? Didn't this series start out as being about Olivia Dunham and the team she assembled? She was the main character! Season 2 is when >>Super!Peter<< first emerged and I've been intermittently disappointed ever since.

I think I found you on twitter. I hope that was you I just followed ;)
Feb. 6th, 2011 11:22 pm (UTC)
I'm with Intrepid on this one:

"I hate the whole “emotions can determine the universe” plotlines in any story"

It just offends my basic nature.

Having been sucked into Heroes, I'm glad I didn't get drawn into "Fringe". One mess of a show is enough.
Feb. 9th, 2011 04:59 am (UTC)
It definitely weakens things when it all hinges on their relationship in such an overt way. bleh. Do better, Fringe. You probably don't have much time left!
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