Aw. I thought it was sweet. I didn't expect it to come across as a mean vid. I do think John Connor is a douche much of the time, but that's not what this is about. This is just about how sad and lonely he is.

Hee. The boy's definitely got some inner emo! I think it lost any humor for me when I first put the teary-eyed ending on it and it made me teary-eyed. But I'm a sucker for sap :P

The jogging suits bother you? LOL. I never gave those a second thought. I guess shorts and t-shirts would've made more sense.

When I eventually finish my angry John vid, this one will seem like rainbows and puppy dogs in comparison. That'll be a while, though. Sarah's up next — I'm 2/3 the way done with a vid about her :)

Yay! I know you're a huge John Connor fan, so I was really hoping you'd like it.

Thank you :)

I wasn't sure how people would react to this because it is a silly song in its original context, but it's also sad and sweet. I meant it more as a genuine look at John, not a mocking look. Not sure if everyone's been getting that from it, though.

John's a troubled teen with no dad, a necessarily over-protective mom, and a hot cyborg step-sister as his only sibling. Yeah, he's got issues, but aside from any subconscious Oedipal thing, I don't think he's actually in a love triangle with Sarah and Cameron. He'd been interested in Cheri. He dated Riley for well over a year. Sarah had moved him around a lot, but it's not like it was just the two of them isolated in a tent in the jungle for 15 years! There were Sequoias! And Sages!

I think that the John deserves to a little bit of cry time.

I totally agree. He's a sad and lonely guy.

I wasn't suggesting John had dated any Sequoias or Sages or even Cheri. I was just using them to point out he's had contact with girls — that it's not just been him and his mom tucked away somewhere with poor John never having seem any female but his mom.

Riley may have been a form of escapism for John, but that doesn't make it any less of a relationship. Teens date people all the time that they know their parents won't approve of and that disapproval is sometimes why they do it. But I do think John liked Riley - cared about her, regardless of how it started. He stayed with her for over a year. He shared personal information with her. He made out with her. That's a relationship. If she hadn't turned out to be future girl pawn in Jesse's plot, it would've been pretty normal. And there's nothing abnormal about a guy having his first girlfriend around age 16 either.



John is so lonely because he will never escape the 33 going on 17 Sarah Connor and the relentless attachment of Cameron!

I really don't understand this viewpoint. Why don't you think John will ever escape Sarah? And why even use the word "escape"?

He's a teenager and she's his mother. Even if there weren't killer robots looking for John half the time, Sarah would still be caring for him, looking after him, protecting him, etc. That's what a parent does. But he'll grow up into adulthood and gradually take on the responsibilities of caring for himself just like every other kid does.

His attachment to Cameron is a different situation and I see that more as him giving up on people. People die. People betray. He figures it's all because of him, so what's the point in even trying to be with them? So he turns to Cameron for companionship — a machine. That's my take on his side of the John/Cam relationship.

Edited at 2010-10-26 06:20 am (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'm aware of your on-going John/Sarah gag, but I thought this time you were actually making a semi-serious statement about John. Didn't meant to harsh your fun :P

It's a triangle, all right, but it feels like a control triangle.