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I know it's been a few days, but I remember my reaction quite well to what happened about 13 minutes into this episode... Holy Shit! The ending was pretty big too, but spoiler whore that I am, I was expecting that.

Derek is... OMFG... dead

A month ago if anyone had suggested Derek could be killed off, I would've said no way. He's core cast and a beloved character — he's safe. Well, I know better now. NO ONE IS EVER SAFE. Recently, though, there was talk of a major male character death and there was also news that Brian Austin Green had signed on to do a pilot for another series. That changed everything. He might indeed be killed off. So going into this episode, I knew it could happen, but I still didn't really expect it.

*BANG*

That was... just... awesome and horrible and everything in between. For pure shock value alone, I absolutely loved it. LOVED it. It's one of those moments that I had to hit the jump back button on the DVR remote four times. If I'd simply waited a few seconds, I would've seen the hole in his head, but my immediate reaction was "Holy shit! Wait, where did he get shot?" So after watching him round that corner a few times, I finally let it play through and saw that he was quite clearly dead. Wow.

You know what really surprised me? Fan reaction. I expected more outrage than anything else, but no. Well, there was some of that — there were fans denouncing the show as "ruined" and calling for Josh Friedman's head on a pike (what else is new?), but largely the reactions were the same as mine. I can't believe they killed off Derek. I can't believe they killed of Derek *like that*. I'm so sad to see him go, but damn, what a gutsy way to end a character.

I guess his story did come full circle. He killed Andy Goode which led to Catherine Weaver getting the Turk, which she used for John Henry, who the Connors just found out about. But from a character standpoint, I think he had a long way to go and I'm sorry he'll never make that journey.


Cemetery

I loved the dialog between Sarah and Derek at the cemetery.

Derek: I thought my brother buried out there counted for something between us.

Sarah: Well John counts for more and you keep too many secrets for my taste.

"The Good Wound" seemed to be paving the way for Sarah and Derek to come to terms finally and find a common ground. But looking back now, I think the significance of Sarah blurring Kyle and Derek in her mind was actually the build-up to her letting go of the connection to Kyle that Derek represented. His arrival had brought Kyle back in a way, but she'd been right about him all along. Even though he was family, he couldn't be trusted. He lied to Sarah the first time he met her. Future!John hadn't trusted him enough to tell him about Kyle. He didn't have Kyle's kind eyes. So once Sarah realized Derek sold out John for Jesse, his blood connection to Kyle and to John became meaningless. In simple terms, Derek was nothing more than a thread to a 25-year-old memory. He wasn't Kyle and he never would be.

Sarah and Derek had awesome chemistry and I'll miss that terribly. Their tension made for some great drama and now that he's gone I'm mad that evil Jesse's idiotic storyline interrupted it all. Scenes between Sarah and Derek were much too few this season and the trade-off wasn't worth it. That's my one major complaint about this season: Fuck Jesse and Riley and that stupid story that went nowhere. Derek's redemption was false. John's growth was forced. There were so many ways to play those beats that would have been better than the Gossip Girl plot of manipulating John's love life. OMG. So. Bad. Yes, I'm a little bitter about that — like season 2 of Lost bitter.

Had to get that out. I'm better now. I ran a test. Everything's good now.


Sarah goes to her guns

One of my favorite moments in the series was back in "Dungeons & Dragons" when Charley leaves. Cut to Sarah cleaning her rifle and that awesome hug between mother and son. It was such a beautiful sequence and said so much without a single word of dialog. Anyway, what's apparent from that is that Sarah goes to her guns when she's upset. And the first scene we get with Sarah after Derek's death is everyone sitting silently in that warehouse with nothing but the sound of Sarah fiddling with guns. Of course they'd just had a shootout with a machine, so there's a logical reason to be loading weapons too, but it's the character beat that's important. She turned to the guns. I love that.


Ellison, you big fucking idiot

He's going to have a hard time explaining killer robots to Weaver? He thinks he can protect Savannah from a machine? Are you fucking kidding me?

If there's one character who I DO NOT want to see survive this season, it's Ellison. I think I'd even take Riley and Jesse back if it would guarantee Ellison's demise. I'm not going to go into all the reasons I hate him because I think they're pretty obvious, but mostly it's because of that enormous fucking high horse he lives on. I don't just want him to die, I want him to die the idiot that he is, but with a split second moment of realization about what an idiot he is right before Weaver spears him like a damn kebab.

Will I get that? No, probably not because Cameron wanted to kill him and John wants to kill him and I'm pretty sure Catherine Weaver has just about had enough of him too. So now an Ellison death feels too obvious and expected and therefore shouldn't be expected. I really hope I'm wrong, though. I do not want Ellison to get to be a good guy after all this. Also he and Sarah have zero chemistry so I don't want him to be the last adult standing that she can ever interact with. Charley's dead. Derek's dead. Ellison needs to join them in the great beyond. Die, Ellison, DIE!


She's lost weight

Um, what? So Sarah goes to the doctor because she finds a lump in her breast that turns out to be a transmitter, but she actually does have cancer and hasn't a clue? I am not amused. I like the cancer hanging over Sarah's head. I don't like the idea of her actually having cancer, though. I don't want a Sarah who can't kick ass. And no matter how slow progressing her cancer might be, if she's already losing weight, she'll be a goner in no time. One thing Sarah can't spare is weight.

Maybe she doesn't have cancer. Maybe Cameron is simply reading the signs wrong. "Self Made Man" established that Cameron can detect cancer or at least is very attuned to the signs. But if weight loss is the only symptom, that's not much to go on. We also know Sarah's been nauseous lately (or at least she had been at the time of her doctor visit). Nausea and weight loss still have like 1000 causes. I vote no on cancer for Sarah. NO — unless it's leukemia that can be cured by a transfusion of terminator blood. Then she can get it because nothing would fuck Sarah's mind more than being saved by the very thing that's forever trying to kill her son.

The other possibility is that Cameron's playing some angle with John. We know she thinks humans are John's problem — he cares. I wish we'd see a bit more of this caring side as a balance to the angry young man we see 90% of the time, but I'll take her word for it. The caring is in there somewhere. Anyway, Cameron seems to think it's best if John is alone (more end of season foreshadowing, I think) because in the timeline she comes from, it's how future!John ends up. So when she mentions that Sarah was going to ditch him and then hints at cancer, perhaps it was to push her agenda (of John being alone). She may be trying to plant the idea in his head that he can't rely on his mom. Cancer would make him worry — care more — but it would also probably make him start doing more on his own, thinking his mom is less able. I don't know, that's all I can come up with for that strange conversation between Cameron and John.


Perhaps in this story, you are God

I like this whole brother thing — that two computers sharing the same code base would be like the two humans sharing the same genes.

In terms of the episode title and Cain and Abel story, it would seem that Miles Dyson is Adam since he created the code. But he was dead before it actually became part of John Henry or his brother. Since my theory is that Danny Dyson carried on his father's work, he's responsible for the code they share, so he would be Adam. I think the obvious answer to the "which one am I?" question is that John Henry is Abel because he's "favored by God" (taught morality by the Bibical Ellison). If so, John Henry is not long for this world. That makes sense because the new AI would then be the focus of next season.

But Weaver telling John Henry that "perhaps in this story, you are God," throws in a twist into it and I'm not sure how to take it. With parallels between John Henry and John Connor and parallels between John Henry and the other AI and parallels between John Connor and Danny Dyson, anything could happen. And I'm a little scared.


Fugitive Sarah Connor arrested

FUCK. I knew that was going to happen in this episode because of the spoiler photo of the TV screens in the store window that was released a few weeks ago. But I didn't know how it would happen and it still sucked. The big question is who ratted her out? Whoever it was knows she is Sarah Connor and knew where she was going to be or at least that she would be with Ellison. I'm putting my money on John Henry and here's why:

- John Henry was told by Weaver that Savannah's survival depended on his.
- He feared Sarah Connor may want to destroy him because he has Mile's Dyson's code in him.
- Therefore, John Henry believed Sarah was a threat to Savannah.
- To ensure Savannah's survival, John Henry ensured his own survival by getting Sarah Connor arrested.

That's logical, right?

What makes this such a big deal is that now fugitive Sarah Connor is known to be alive in 2009 Los Angeles. The implications of that are bad. Very bad. Not only will she have cops and feds after her from now on, but her face is freshly plastered all over the news. So much for talking to landlords or posing as an investor at a tech start-up. She's going to have to live in the shadows to stay in this fight and I'm not sure how much fighting she'll even be able to do from the shadows. At the very least she'll have to go into hiding for a few months until the heat is off after she busts out of there.

The other problem of course, is that getting arrested gets her in the system. Sure, that database could be destroyed from a nuke on judgment day, but it could just as easily survive. And from a story standpoint, the record of her being arrested in 2009 is more dramatic if Skynet knows. Machines will come calling; they'll be looking for her to find John. I think that's why we had the set-up in "To the Lighthouse" that Sarah and John would be separated at the end of this season. She's going to have to put some distance between herself and John for his safety.


Savannah & John Henry

Is Savannah not the cutest little girl ever? And her friendship with John Henry is just plain lovable. Who didn't freeze frame her in-class chat to read it?

But here's what struck me in this episode. The water cooler terminator showed up at Weaver's house to kill Savannah. Assuming Kaliba is doing Skynet's bidding, that means Savannah is a problem for Skynet. In other words, she's important. Ellison was also a target before too, so he's also important. The one thing they have in common is that they're both helping to mold John Henry. What I think it really comes down to is that John Henry is a big-ass problem for Skynet.

The way they're swinging the axe of late on this show, I do worry Savannah won't survive. I'd be sad about that because, well, she's cute and she's a kid and it's fucking harsh to kill a kid. So I have a wacky theory that Savannah will end up in Sarah's protective custody. Maybe when she flees, she'll take Savannah with her.

Oh here's something: That terminator was after Savannah, but outside the movie theater he seemed to be intently watching Sarah get arrested. I'm not sure I understand the change in his focus. Savannah was standing there with Ellison, so why did he divert his attention to Sarah? We know all terminators on other missions have a KILL JOHN CONNOR default if they were to find out who he is. But the only ones to ever go after Sarah in this series are Cameron and Cromartie — machines who were already after John. Curious.


Miscellaneous

I am smitten with the water delivery terminator. I know he killed Derek but he is one handsome machine.

"Heaven has a hardware problem." That was an awesome line from John Henry. You gotta love his logic.

I know John Henry is a super computer, but how the hell could he have possibly gotten the number to Sarah's cell phone?

Why wasn't Ellison arrested? That investigator was rather suspicious of Ellison anyway and then he comes walking out of the movie theater right after fugitive Sarah Connor. I don't think the cops would be inclined to believe that was a coincidence.

That shot of John looking at the TVs in the store window at the end is just gorgeous. I may even have to make a John icon.

Um, we're in 2009 now? So season 2 went from November 2007 until sometime in 2009? I understand that the show wanted to catch up to present day, but they could have solved the problem rather easily by altering the date on the construction sign after the time jump in the pilot. But instead, we get massive unexplained lapses this season. Anyway, since Serrano Point is slated to go online in August of 2009, I'll assume we're sometime before that and when season 3 starts, the show will be set in August 2009.


FInale thoughts

I really have no big theories about the finale. I'm expecting Cameron to bust Sarah out of jail (and hunky terminator to make it not so easy). I'm expecting a flashback to the future in which we find out the story of the creepy basement. I'm expecting Zeira Corp to go BOOM. I'm hoping for an Ellison death. I'm expecting the kill switch Cameron gave to John to come into play. And I'm expecting Sarah to hit the road sans John. How all that is going to happen, I haven't a clue. What else might happen, I haven't a clue. I'm excited, I'm nervous and I'm really really scared. Not knowing if there will be another season makes this finale very important.

Please don't leave me, show.



Comments

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spectralbovine
Apr. 8th, 2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
I can't believe they killed off Derek. I can't believe they killed of Derek *like that*. I'm so sad to see him go, but damn, what a gusty way to end a character.
He wasn't killed by the WIND, Roxy.

Had to get that out. I'm better now. I ran a test. Everything's good now.
Heeeee.

I don't just want him to die, I want him to die the idiot that he is, but with a split second moment of realization about what an idiot he is right before Weaver spears him like a damn kebab.
Nooooo, I love Ellison! I mean, I understand what you mean about the high horse, but I don't want him to die.

And if so, John Henry is not long for this world. That makes sense because the new AI would then be the focus of next season.
Noooo, I love John Henry! He will survive!

And from a story standpoint, the record of her being arrested in 2009 is more dramatic if Skynet knows — machines will come calling. They'll be looking for her to find John. I think that's why we had the set-up in "To the Lighthouse" that Sarah and John would be separated at the end of this season. She's going to have to put some distance between herself and John for his safety.
Eeeep. I hadn't thought about all those implications.

Who didn't freeze frame her in-class chat to read it?
What did it say? I wanted to! But I figured someone else would tell me.

I know John Henry is a super computer, but how the hell could he have possibly gotten the phone number to Sarah's cell phone?
I don't know!
roxybisquaint
Apr. 8th, 2009 11:05 pm (UTC)
He wasn't killed by the WIND, Roxy.

LOL. Typo fixed.


Nooooo, I love Ellison! I mean, I understand what you mean about the high horse, but I don't want him to die.

Really? I liked him last season, but ever since Mexico, I've hated him. For Ellison to live, he's going to have to see the error of his ways really quickly in the finale and then find John and tell him everything he knows and beg to help make everything right. Then maybe I'll halt my calling for his death :P


Noooo, I love John Henry! He will survive!

I know, I love John Henry too. I'm not calling for his death, but I think it's a good possibility it could happen.


Here's the Savannah-JH chat transcript:

SAVANNAHW: We're learning new words.

JOHNHENRY1: Words are fun. I know 228,132.

SAVANNAHW: It's boring, I wish I was at lunch.

JOHNHENRY1: Why don't you make a pizza?

SAVANNAHW: LOL. I can't make a pizza!

JOHNHENRY1: Why not?

SAVANNAHW: Because I'm at school, silly!
spectralbovine
Apr. 8th, 2009 11:16 pm (UTC)
Oh my God, that is adorable.
rkc_erika
Apr. 8th, 2009 09:51 pm (UTC)
They already explained the basement w/o explaining it. When Derek was kidnapped in TO THE LIGHTHOUSE Cameron said that he's been known to spill the beans before about John's location.

Note after he got released from the basement in D&D they all got freed and the resistance compound was fried. Under torture and duress Derek caved and revealed the location.

This of course complicates matters w/ Cameron who was John's confident Terminator, maybe she was infiltrating the Terminators also to bring john info about their doings. But this would certainly explain why Derek completely freaked out at seeing her when he was being taken to John.

It makes you wonder if Derek was sent back in time because Future!John knew that he was a security risk in the future but could maybe do some good in the past.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 12:40 am (UTC)
I know we got the quickie story, which really didn't tell us anything everyone hadn't already guessed. But I still think there's going to be an actual reveal of it. Sarah's in jail, John and Cam look to be spending some time in a motel. And there's that "so deep down you still want to kill me" line that I think implies they talk about her chip damage, her original programming and the future.
indiefic
Apr. 8th, 2009 09:51 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes to everything you said. Especially the Derek stuff. Though I'm still so frickin' bummed.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 12:35 am (UTC)
I can understand the idea of getting back to the original set-up of mother son and robot protector. That's how they started and now that they've all sort of transitioned away from who they were then, the fight kicks into high gear. There's nothing left for them except the fight. But Derek felt like more than a passing character. He felt permanent.

Maybe he'll drop in from another timeline. It could be cheesy, but even with all the time travel we had earlier this season, we've still never had a character leave and return from another timeline. It could work. Maybe. If they did it. I'm grasping, aren't I?
indiefic
Apr. 9th, 2009 02:59 am (UTC)
Cheesy or not, I'd love to have Derek back. Heh. I'm easy.

I'm really torn on certain aspects of this season. I really, really hope it gets picked up (by anyone, I don't really care at this point) for a third season.
sabaceanbabe
Apr. 9th, 2009 02:04 pm (UTC)
Maybe he'll drop in from another timeline. It could be cheesy, but even with all the time travel we had earlier this season, we've still never had a character leave and return from another timeline. It could work. Maybe. If they did it. I'm grasping, aren't I?

I think that would be awesome. And they coud do so much with it. And it would be a slightly different Derek, too, which, again, they could do so much with in respect to us viewers (we viewers?) expecting him to do one thing but him doing something else.

He did feel like so much more than a "passing character." Jesse and Riley were obviously that, even though TPTB took care to make them feel real, but Derek felt more important than that.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 04:57 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think the slightly different Derek thing is what could make it fun. Sarah would instantly have a bad attitude towards him and never trust him, but maybe the new Derek would be totally trustworthy.

Here's my wacky theory on a new Derek:

Near the end of the episode, Sarah's being chased down by metal. It's not looking good because she's all alone (Cameron's off with John somewhere). And at a crucial moment, Derek shows up with a "come with me if you want to live". One brother was sent to protect her from a machine before John was born and the other brother was sent to protect her now. That could be cheestatically awesome. :D
sabaceanbabe
Apr. 9th, 2009 04:59 pm (UTC)
OH! I would <3 this SO FRAKKING MUCH!
sarawr
Apr. 9th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
Sigh. I wish, now, that I hadn't looked up the summary of the "leaked finale." (Scare quotes because I sure hope it's not real.) I'd love to see things play out... more like you speculated, less like they probably will. Damn.

Also, there's now a Derek-shaped hole in my own head. Sniff.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 01:03 am (UTC)
Don't worry, the leaked finale was all fake. Not only did the official TSCC blog say they didn't even put the episode out for review because of the tight secrecy, but the fake version contradicted things from the previews and also it's just plain awful. The TSCC writers are much better than that. There are a few things in the fake that I think are possible, but as an overview of episode, I think it's way off the mark.
sarawr
Apr. 10th, 2009 07:31 pm (UTC)
I forgot to check this thread sooner, but -- thank goodness. I read that summary and was like, "Nooooo! My world has ended!" Heh.

Thanks for the clarification and relief. :P
adam_0oo
Apr. 9th, 2009 04:03 am (UTC)
Why wasn't Ellison arrested? That investigator was rather suspicious of Ellison anyway and then he comes walking out of the movie theater right after fugitive Sarah Connor. I don't think the cops would be inclined to believe that was a coincidence.

This lead me to believe that the cop (another Deadwood alum) was actually sharp enough to follow Ellison around and knew what was going on with the hostage pickup. Thusly, he expected that Ellison was responsible for saving Savannah.

I'm not sure I understand the change in his focus. Savannah was standing there with Ellison, so why did he divert his attention to Sarah?

Finding Sarah Connor leads to finding John Connor.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
I think I'm the only one stuck on those two points. Your explanations are the same as what others have told me, but I just don't think it makes sense.

I'm sure it was clear to the agent that Ellison got Savannah from Sarah, so he'd maybe understand that. Ellison could probably convince them he intended to report Sarah as soon as he had Savannah safely away, but they'd still want to question him about the whole thing. Derek had been Ellison's case and turned up dead at Weaver's house. Sarah had been Ellison's case and turned up with Weaver's daughter. It looks mighty suspicious!

I get that machines will go after Sarah to get to John, but so far in the series, they've only ever done that when John was already their target (Cromartie, Cameron when she glitched). So water cooler terminator dropping his primary mission to kill Savannah in favor of locking onto Sarah (which is what it seemed he did) is new territory. And it makes me wonder if Sarah is now a primary target for some reason.
sabaceanbabe
Apr. 9th, 2009 02:08 pm (UTC)
So say we all to (almost) all of this.

I still kinda like Ellison and I'd really like to see him catch a clue without dying for it. Although it says something poetic in a way about Sarah and John that everyone they've ever closely interacted with dies, it would still be nice for someone to actually survive the Connors. :/

And oh, PTB, please don't kill JohnHenry or Savannah.

I can totally see the ending being John entirely alone while Sarah takes off with Savannah to keep both John and Savannah safe. It would be kind of interesting, too, if JohnHenry were mobile and stayed with Sarah and Savannah. :P Cracktastic, huh?
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 05:13 pm (UTC)
I liked Ellison's character in the first season, but this season I found him kind of dull and once he stole Cromartie's body, I turned on him completely. Sarah spent most of her life fighting the machines and along comes Ellison on the new believers train, thinking he can do it better.

He fails to mention to Sarah that his new boss knows about these robots and wants one for herself. Then when he hands Cromartie over to his boss, she hooks it up to a super AI computer instead of dismantling it like she said she would. For some reason, that doesn't make a lightbulb go off in Ellison's head. Neither does the hack attempt on John Henry and the reveal of the Cyberdyne code! And when Ellison was just in contact with Sarah, he still doesn't mention any of it?!

Ellison is too far gone down the idiot path for me.

I think John Henry could survive, but if he does, I think he'll be evil. I'm expecting some kind of merging of him and his brother. My original thought was that JH would upload his data to his AI brother and then somehow sacrifice himself to save Savannah. But it could be that he lets his brother upload data to him, believing that would make him powerful enough to unhook his cord and be able to go save Savannah. Or something like that.
johnnypate
Apr. 9th, 2009 05:02 pm (UTC)
I loved this episode so much. The final scene with JH and Savannah singing was beyond the awesome. I don't see how they're going to top it in the finale, tho I do expect the Glaubot to do a rampage-thru-a-police-station and there to be some pretty hefty use of pyrotechnics in general. Judgment Day anyone?

Let me help you out with how John Henry can find Sarah's number (or the NSA can find yours): data mining. John Henry can access all sorts of security camera, traffic cam, webcam etc., footage via the intarw3bz and computer networks. John Henry can note where Sarah was at various times and identify which cellphones were active in the cell that corresponded to that location. By a process of elimination, sightings of Sarah cross-checked against cellphone location enable him to deduce Sarah's cellphone number. In fact, we know from previous remarks JH has made to the Weaverbot that he's actively doing this kind of information processing in his attempt to figure out WTF it's all about in general.

Actually John Henry, given what he is, can do a whole lot more cool stuff than this but he has his limitations - as shown in this ep. An AI as JH is implied in TSCC does actually have God-like powers... omnipresence, omniscience, the power to create new forms of life, the power to destroy life on Earth.

I think they had to kill off Derek (but it may be it was forced on them... or maybe they're just burnin down the house because they already know there's no S3). Now Derek doesn't have Jesse to hold him back, logically he should have stepped up to take charge: John is still immature, Sarah is way to flakey and Cameron could go postal at any moment. It would (logically to me anyhoo) have become primarily a clash between Sarah and Derek to take over John's protection and guidance. And (again logically IMHO) Derek would have won. On a related note, I'm now not so convinced Derek actually shot Jesse. If there's an S3 I'd bet on Stephanie being back (however, I don't think there will be an S3, sadly). I liked the Jesse/Riley/Derek storyline (quite apart from liking the 3 actors) and I think it was necessary to hold Derek back, so to speak, as outlined above. If nothing else, it let them slip in some cool time travel issues. (Let alone that any excuse to get SJ into a bathing costume works for me.)

I can see a reason why Savannah might get killed (apart from them simply burning down the house). JH, in his way, is attached to Savannah and concerned for her survival. If Sarah/John kill Savannah in the process of attempting to destroy JH, he may take a rather dim view of this. It would be very interesting from a story and thematic POV, don't you think? It would be even cooler - tho I doubt they have the balls to do it - if it came to some crunch point where it was, `Do we blow this thing to kill Skynet, even tho it will kill the child? Must/will we sacrifice a single child to save the larger number of people from Judgment Day [as we see it, not understanding the possibility JH is an anti-Skynet/pro-human faction in any case].' Sorry little ginger girl, we're on a mission from future!John.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 05:35 pm (UTC)
What you described about the cell phone is basically how I tried to account for it in my head, but I didn't think you could do that with cell phones after the fact. I thought the only way to triangulate a cell phone was when it was active on a call. Also, I'm not sure John Henry could've known any place (or even general area) that Sarah had been, except Weaver's house. And she wouldn't have called anyone then because everyone was there with her.

I suppose, knowing she'd been at Weaver's house, he could have broadened the search radius backwards and outwards from there because we know at some point before they were all at the cemetery there was cell phone communication. It feels pretty thin, though. And again, can you really locate a cell phone after the fact? I don't think that's possible from what I've read. It's just a nitpick, though. No biggie.

It would (logically to me anyhoo) have become primarily a clash between Sarah and Derek to take over John's protection and guidance.

That's actually the story I was expecting to happen ever since Demon Hand last season. With the difference in their approaches to the fight, I really thought Sarah and Derek would have an on-going clash about how to train/raise/protect John. Of course, in my version of the story, Sarah would win out because, well, she's Sarah Connor — the legend who trained her son. No matter what mistakes she makes, she ultimately does it right.

I'm going in reverse of you on Jesse. I didn't think Derek killed Jesse before, but if Derek's gone (and not going to return from some alt timeline), I can't see Jesse re-entering the story. So I guess I'll have to believe he killed her.
johnnypate
Apr. 9th, 2009 07:02 pm (UTC)
With modern cellphones, so long as your cellphone has a battery in it, it talks to the cell. That's all they need to know. Think about it for a moment: if your phone is asleep in your pocket and someone phones you, how does it know it should ring? Because it has told the cell tower, `Hello, here I am, any calls for me come here.' Cell tower reports back to routing centres accordingly. Cellphone locations can be traced a particular cell in the time it takes to connect a call - because that's how it works. Once JH decides he wants to look for Sarah he searches CONUS for recordings of Sarah and logs of cell towers, correlates the data until he comes up with a number. He can search months or even years worths of logs and recordings and surveillance cam if he has to. You're ascribing human limitations to John Henry. JH has total recall and can process vastly more data than a human brain. In fact, both the US and the UK governments are going ahead with legislation to make service providers keep this kind of data for long periods of time for just this kind of data-mining operation. I'd like to know what you've read that makes you think it's not possible - do they claim to destroy the logs and billing records, surveillance camera footage etc.?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm

(JH doesn't need a warrant or any kind of permission.)

Maybe I want Jesse to come back because SJ is so decorative... but I think the storyline of the anti-John human faction logically should be important if there's an S3 and Jesse is the obvious character to move that forward. And she'll be even more bitter and twisted now.

Unless they're killing everyone off because there's no S3, I don't see Ellison getting killed. The ambivalence of the role of his character is very useful. His idea to try and mould JH/Skynet into a moral being isn't so crazy, given that attempts to stop JD by blowing stuff up have failed and, logically, absent a collapse of technological civilization an artefact like JH is inevitable - if USA don't do it, Japan or China or WHY will. Making a super-AI that is moral and respects human life as sacred would be the way stop JD. So Ellison is crazy like a fox, it seems to me. If anything, he's playing Go rather than Chess. The flaw is JH has to believe in God and, presumably, some kind of personal redemption available to him via that route. That seems to me to be the flaw in the Ellison's plan, not so much the conception. But Ellison has his faith in God to make him believe it's possible that good will triumph. Some interesting theological points to ponder on there.
motoki
Apr. 9th, 2009 07:38 pm (UTC)
Good analysis, Interesting thoughts
I agree with most of it. I still kind of like Ellison but he is not making it easy for me. :p

I agree that good old Ms. Weaver is losing patience with him. I really liked her frank comment to him in the elevator though that basically amounted to 'Look, it's not that I love John Henry more than Savannah it's just that keeping him around will save her ass, and your ass and everyone's ass'.

It's interesting that he didn't flinch when she made allusions to working toward preventing a future catastrophe that she, at least according to what Ellison knows, shouldn't know about. Very curious. Sometimes I think he suspects she's a machine and sometimes I think he's totally stupid and is not putting the clues together.

Speaking of which, did you check out the new previews just put up on the blog? Your hunkinator is back and in a scene rather reminiscent of T1. I like that.

Also Catherine Weaver thinks it's cute that Ellison is worried that Cameron will beat her up, but tells him not to lie to her again. Ever.

I think Ellison must be the only human to ever piss off a T1000 series multiple times and live to tell about it.

On the Sarah weight loss thing, I think it's ambiguous. Like a lot of things in this show. Like Jesse living or dying. They could go either way with it. She's been running around and not really worrying about herself so I could see it.

And please no cyborg blood curing cancer. Ugh. BSG already went there and it was shark jumpy when they did.

Like you I am waiting with baited breath for the season (series? :( ) finale. I'm kind of scare what will happen. It seems like they are cleaning house. I like John Henry and Savannah and don't want them to bite it.

I'm pretty sure Cameron will bite it, but there's always room for her to come back in some form I think.

There's rumors that WB really wants a season three and wants to try and tie it into the T4/5/6 movie trilogy more or at least draw more parallels. Since the show skipped over T3, I don't see how they could do the same timeline, but I think there's definitely room for more parallels like some of the same concepts and maybe even characters, since it seems like there's some constants even among all the timelines.

I agree Danny Dyson is a good direction for a season 3 to go in. I like the actress that played Tarissa in the series too. She did a one woman play here in town a few months back that I saw. She's good. Maybe even a future Savannah could work too. There's lots of room to play and definitely Kaliba would be a focus. We still don't know what happened to mullet man.

A little over 24 hours to go. I'm nervous.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 08:06 pm (UTC)
Re: Good analysis, Interesting thoughts
I did see the preview scenes and the second I saw hunky terminator walk into that gun shop I was filled with T1 glee! I'm kind of hoping he sticks around a while :D

Ellison certainly seems to be getting suspicious of Catherine, but I still don't think he has a clue that's she's a machine. I really am surprised how many people still like Ellison, though. He's got some major repenting to do if I'm ever going like him again!

Yeah the cyborg blood cure would be a little BSG-ish, but on that show the cylon blood didn't cure Roslin. It only made her better temporarily. I wouldn't see it as a jump the shark moment for TSCC because I think it was set-up very early on in The Turk. All that focus on the way the terminator blood works, with a synthetic oxygen carrier that makes bone marrow unnecessary. There had to be a reason for that.

I know T4 runs on a separate timeline (thankfully, since Sarah's dead in that story!), but I do think the show is attempting to lead into it just a bit on a thematic level. All these hints at John being alone and without Sarah at the end of the season would sort of present John Connor as having to stand on his own for the first time. And when the show returns in the fall (I'm keeping my optimism up), we could have John alone still, trying to find his mom. It could be a good strategy for grabbing movie goers that haven't yet latched onto the series.

I could swear I saw the drone in a Candian preview for the finale. But the video was so tiny and poor quality, it's really hard to say. Regardless, I think the guy with the drone will be a major focus of next season.

I really feel like we're going to get at least 13 eps in the fall. But until I hear it, I'm just so nervous. I've never loved a TV show this much.
motoki
Apr. 9th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Good analysis, Interesting thoughts
I hope we get something more. At very least a movie. I remember Josh saying a while back that if Fox cancelled the show they promised him a two hour movie to wrap things up but that was before they greenlighted the back 9 so who knows now?

I can imagine they can touch on all the loose threads in just two hours anyway, so I hope you're right and they get at least 13. I'm kind of tired about always being on pins and needles on whether this show will come back though. >:(

On the waterguy, it's cool to see him back but I thought was dumb that the gang just let him go like that. I guess they didn't have time to deal with him but you just knew that was going to come back to bite them in the ass.

I still remember what Shaka Zulu said in the Shaka miniseries, haha

"Never leave an enemy behind or it will rise again to fly at your throat."

Good advice.
motoki
Apr. 9th, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
Re: Good analysis, Interesting thoughts
Err make that I CAN'T imagine they can touch on all the loose threads in two hours.
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 08:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Good analysis, Interesting thoughts
Well we don't yet know what threads we'll be left with after tomorrow night. And actually, the possibility of no renewal may be why they're chopping away characters. We've got Ellison, Weaver, Savannah and John Henry to deal with. I think all of them are potentially on the chopping block because they're all tied to this season's Weaver story. I think that'll wrap or evolve into the Kaliba story.

They could probably tie things up in a focused 2-hour movie if they had too. And if we don't get another season, a movie to wrap the story would be very nice. But I'm continuing to think happy thoughts for season 3 :)
roxybisquaint
Apr. 9th, 2009 08:36 pm (UTC)
Re: Good analysis, Interesting thoughts
Cameron tossing him down a hill was, I guess, the quickest way to get rid of him, but it was pretty stupid to just leave him at the bottom of a hill and think that would be the end of it. I guess their goal was just to get Savannah the hell out of there safely. The fight with the machine could be left for another day when Savannah wasn't in harm's way. I'm sure when they see him again, they'll have cause to reconsider that choice ;)
the_narration
Apr. 10th, 2009 03:49 am (UTC)
If I'd simply waited a few seconds, I would've seen the hole in his head, but my immediate reaction was "Holy shit! Wait, where did he get shot?"
Yeah, I hadn't heard any spoilers or actor news, so when Derek got hit, I was like, "I guess he really does have body armor. Funny, that didn't look like how TV usually depicts a torso hit." Then I saw he was hit in the head, weighed the odds of this being another dream sequence, and realized that they'd really gone and killed him. I was quite shocked.

John's growth was forced.
Big time. I found his claim to have known for some time that Riley was from the future completely unbelievable... his behavior was all wrong for that. There was no gradual development arc to his change... he just goes from brat to leader in between scenes.

He's going to have a hard time explaining killer robots to Weaver? He thinks he can protect Savannah from a machine? Are you fucking kidding me?
I think he meant he'd have a hard time explaining the Connors to Weaver. Weaver already knows about killer robots, since she has one in her basement. As far protecting Savannah from a Terminator... it's just a matter of having the right weapons. And ZeiraCorp can probably afford a lot of .50 BMG and 40mm HE.

It is a little frustrating that he still hasn't caught on that Weaver's up to no good. Of course, it's possible that he suspected Weaver was a Terminator and tried some sort of test that would have revealed a T-888 but won't work on a T-1001, but if that were the case they really should have shown us.

Nausea and weight loss still have like 1000 causes.
Stress, for instance. Sarah's got no shortage of that.

The big question is who ratted her out? Whoever it was knows she is Sarah Connor and knew where she was going to be or at least that she would be with Ellison.
My first thought was simply that the police had tailed Ellison because they didn't trust him, but that wouldn't explain how they got such a large force in place and knew to arrest Sarah. Maybe Weaver did it? Sarah's a threat to her plans and she doesn't care if Savannah gets caught in the crossfire. It might even be advantageous for her... Savannah is kind of becoming John Henry's Morality Pet, so if Weaver is trying to turn John Henry into a genocidal SkyNet, then it'll be easier with Savannah out of the way.

Alternately, John Henry's "brother" might have learned of the meet somehow and dropped a dime.

On another note, we have yet another example of how any gamer I've ever played Shadowrun with could give the Connors advice on how to be paranoid. If you ever walk out the front door into an army of police, you've screwed up, because you should have had somebody outside with a radio to tell you they were there. (That was a nice parallel with the similar moment in Sarah's dream in the pilot episode, tho.)

I know John Henry is a super computer, but how the hell could he have possibly gotten the number to Sarah's cell phone?
I assumed that Ellison already had the number, presumably having been given it during the team-up in Mexico.

Why wasn't Ellison arrested? That investigator was rather suspicious of Ellison anyway and then he comes walking out of the movie theater right after fugitive Sarah Connor. I don't think the cops would be inclined to believe that was a coincidence.
Another reason to suspect Weaver. She could have told the police that she had sent her head of security to a meet with the kidnappers for a ransom exchange, giving a reason for him to be there.

....Or they could be waiting to arrest him until they have some solid evidence.

That terminator was after Savannah, but outside the movie theater he seemed to be intently watching Sarah get arrested. I'm not sure I understand the change in his focus.
Better question: why only send human assassins to take out a four-person team that's been attacking your interests and seems well-equipped to defend themselves (as Non-Henry did last week) but sent a Terminator to take out a little girl defended by only an unarmed babysitter? I'm starting to smell a feint.

I sure hope they don't cancel this show.
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