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Are you fucking kidding me?

I will have more to say later because there were a few good things about this one. But the bad outweighed the good by a mile on a first viewing. Flimsy. Very flimsy. The upside is I can haz new theories :D

I'm off to watch BSG finale right now, which I'm thinking might end up being the high point of this evening's viewing.



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zanpakto
Mar. 21st, 2009 03:42 am (UTC)
OMG. I'M COMPLETELY SATISFIED.
Except for my starbuck being a ghost, but I'm not going to take it literally.

It had every one of my desires come true. Even Anders!

Frak yea!!!
roxybisquaint
Mar. 21st, 2009 05:48 am (UTC)
Ick, I wasn't satisfied with TSCC or BSg tonight. Anders heading off to the sun in Galactica was about the best moment though ;)

I'm glad the BSG obligation is over and I hope next's week's TSCC is a hell of a lot better.
indiefic
Mar. 21st, 2009 02:56 pm (UTC)
Parts of T:SCC were the awesomest awesome to ever be awesome. But yeah, as much as I hate to find fault with my beloved show, the entire Jesse storyline was just FAIL. Also, the initial John-Sarah exchange left me cold. (But the end kinda made up for that.)
roxybisquaint
Mar. 21st, 2009 04:43 pm (UTC)
I need to watch it again but my initial reaction was not good at all.

What I really didn't like was the retcon of John having been onto Riley. Uh, what? The way they attempted to pretend it had been there all along was so very un-TSCC. The sad thing is I actually liked most of the stuff between him and Jesse, but it just screamed fake to me. A show that spends so much time dropping bits and pieces of character and story movement should not be falling back on lengthy exposition to tell us what happened off camera over the course of several episodes.

Also, Jesse lost a pregnancy? Come on. That felt cheesy and cliche and it wasn't at all necessary. The sub story alone was plenty good enough to give her motivation and make us feel something for her.

The last scene with John crying on his mom was beautiful, though. I loved that, especially as a contrast to the usual John being a prick to Sarah (like his first scene with her was). He's worn me down so much with that coldness, but I think we've *finally* turned a corner with him. He hugged Sarah when she had her emotional breakdown in Mr Ferguson and she comforted him when he had his emotional breakdown last night. Mother and son are now going to be together again for real :)
spectralbovine
Mar. 22nd, 2009 07:32 am (UTC)
Also, Jesse lost a pregnancy? Come on. That felt cheesy and cliche and it wasn't at all necessary. The sub story alone was plenty good enough to give her motivation and make us feel something for her.
Yeah, that was kind of weird and thrown in there.
nanewt011
Mar. 21st, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC)
I loved the episode! I wasn't bothered by the future pregnancy, it illustrated the point that Cameron assumed the change in pressure possibly caused the miscarriage but it was more likely caused by the kicking in the stomach during the mutiny. I wasn't bothered by John being on to Riley for a while now,it's nice for PresentJohn to be shown to be on the ball. John and Sarah are aware Cameron goes out at night, he would have used that to try to see Riley, and found her gone from the foster home. Probably for late night swims with Jesse.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 22nd, 2009 08:27 am (UTC)
It is nice for John to be on the ball, but I just can't buy that he was so on the ball when he wasn't. Things can certainly happen off camera, but not *that* much. And not when it contradicts what they actually show us on camera. I never saw anything to indicate over the course of this season that John ever had a clue about Riley until he saw her body in the morgue. So I can not cheer the arrival of a new John Connor. The character didn't develop, he skipped ahead.

Maybe I'll feel differently when I rewatch this whole season after it ends. It's possible there were hints dropped that I missed, but the way I watch this show, I would be very surprised if I missed stuff like that.

spectralbovine
Mar. 22nd, 2009 07:30 am (UTC)
Interesting! So, not a fan of the John Figured Riley Out thing? I thought that was cool and made him look like not a dolt.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 22nd, 2009 08:17 am (UTC)
If you read my reply up there to indiefic's comment then you know why I didn't like this one. It wasn't John being smart that I didn't like, it was the show pretending he was smart before when we know he wasn't. That's the kind of thing I can't ignore and it ruined this episode for me. I'm hoping on a rewatch maybe it won't bother me so much since I'll already be expecting that John retcon.

Actually I'm also really disappointed that this was Jesse's end. Looking back now, she and Riley were pretty much pointless except for John and Derek to get some magical character growth in the conclusion of their story (sorry, I'm trying not to be bitter, but I'm doing a poor job of it). I think I just want to wipe this fan-favorite 2-parter from my mind forever.

At least the masses enjoyed it because God knows we need the ratings. I'll try to make peace with it for that fact alone. :P

And I really need to catch up my comicals so I can express myself in a more fulfilling way :P

lilhobbit
Mar. 22nd, 2009 10:51 am (UTC)
Right there with you. It wasn't that I didn't want that from John, it was just that it didn't feel real in any way. It was just fake and came out of nowhere. No signs! Or maybe I'm overreacting, because I feel they wrote it in just to appease the fans since wee've been such a shitty fanbase recently. John's behaviour is always on the "to complain about" list when it comes to fans.

I suppose this is one of the things take make this show worth rewatching: There's always something you missed. Hopefully this wasn't just invented to make fans happy, but there were actually hints to it. And despite feeling a little cheated, I did like the episode otherwise. Well, Jesse's miscarriage was not needed, but I mean the other stuff. The ending was just touching.

I also have an inkling that Derek didn't kill Jesse. Maybe she'll come up with another plan now. Another lesson for the Connor family to leave no loose ends, like when Cromartie was following them and Sarah let the kid live. I highly doubt Jesse would leave it at this. Maybe she has no will to harm John, but Cameron? How far spread is the mutiny back in the future? Clearly Jesse can't be the only one, if things are handled in this fashion? Are we going to see more humans going against John?

And how was it able for Jesse to travel to the past in the first place? I thought the timemachine was one of Connor's biggest secrets. Obviously Jesse has allies.

Whoops, this turned into a rant. Sorry. ^^'
roxybisquaint
Mar. 22nd, 2009 05:49 pm (UTC)
It wasn't that I didn't want that from John, it was just that it didn't feel real in any way. It was just fake and came out of nowhere.

Yes. That's it exactly. With as closely as I watch this show and as many times as I watch each episode, I can't imagine I would have missed clues that John was really onto Riley being future!girl. I never saw anything until Ourselves Alone to indicate John might be getting a clue that something was up.

When Jesse asked John when he figured it out, he said "it doesn't matter" but mentioned it was a really bad day. I think I need someone to tell me which really bad day it was so I can look for signs that I may have missed from that point. Right now, though, I can think of any point where he seemed to have any idea Riley before Ourselves Alone.

I have that same fear as you — that this big John moment was done to appease the loudmouth complaining "fans". The show is normally so well-written that this just screamed shortcut.

Agreed on Jesse's miscarriage. That was lame and so not needed for her story.

At first I didn't think Derek killed Jesse because the close up on the start of the trigger pull seemed like it was meant to contrast the close-up on Sarah's trigger pull when she iced Winston. But Jesse being dead seems to fit perfectly with spoilers from Thomas Dekker and Josh Friedman. So now I don't know. If he did kill her, it makes a mess of his character since he just had his big (*cough* out of the blue *cough*) revelation last week that human life is valuable. So I tell ya, I think this 2-parter made a total mess of John and Derek's characters.

Either that or someone needs to write me some Idiot's Guides to John and Derek's transformations :P
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