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Attention haters (and people who are just plain confused)
You don't have to like an episode, but saying "Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep" sucked because you didn't understand it is kind of stupid. So to fix that, I've written a guide.



Let's start with the basics. The sleep clinic was the dream. Everything else was real.

I KNOW CUZ SOMEONE ALREADY TOLD ME BUT WHAT DOES THIS STUPID BORING EPISODE MEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAN?!

This episode was about Sarah's transformation. Remember the voice-over at the beginning of "Earthlings Welcome Here?" No, you probably don't, so I'll give it to you:

"In 1490, the Spanish explorer, Cabeza de Vaca, landed on the shores of the new world seeking power and fortune. He was immediately attacked and captured, almost all of his traveling companions murdered. Enslaved, Devaca chose to embrace his captors' beliefs and learn their ways. He became a healer. Over time he was freed and Devaca attracted his own following who believed he had the power over life and death. The desert had transformed him. He was not the first and he would not be the last."

HUH? WHAT DO TRANSFORMING EXPLORERS HAVE TO DO WITH CAMERON?

Hmm. This is going to be tougher than I thought. Okay, try to stay with me here... Look at those last two sentences in the voice-over:

"The desert had transformed him. He was not the first and he would not be the last."

YOU MEAN SOMEONE OTHER THAN A SPANISH EXPLORER WOULD ALSO BE TRANSFORMERERED BY A DESSERT?

Close enough. Maybe this won't be so hard after all :)

I GET IT! I GET IT! CAMERON IS GOING TO TRANSFORMER HERSELF INTO A REAL LIVE GIRL AND KISS JOHN!!! *GLEE*

Augh. I can see we're going to have to talk about Cameron for a minute if we're going to get anywhere with this episode.

YEAH YEAH YEAH! CAMERON LOOKED SMOKIN' IN HER UNDIES!!!! SHE AND JOHN SHOULD BE 2GETHER 4EVER.

Yes, Cameron has a nice body, but try to focus. Remember when her chip got damaged?

SHE WENT ALL KILL JOHN KILL JOHN!

That's right. John dusted off her chip and put it back in, but he didn't fix the damage. So Cameron is unpredictable now... like a human.

SO SHE ALREADY BECAME A SPANISH EXPLORER?

Uh.... Yes. Cameron sort of transformed. She's still a programmed machine, but she could "go bad" and maybe try to kill John again or who knows what. While we're talking about Cameron, what's her job? Anyone remember?

I KNOW I KNOW...

It's not to have sex with John.

WELL THEN WHAT IS IT?

Cameron's job is to protect John. She might have some other secret agenda, but all we know so far is that she came back through time to protect John. And who else has the job of protecting John?

I DON'T KNOW.

Think hard.

I SAID I DON'T KNOW!

What's the name of the show?

TERMINATOR!

That's only part of the name. What's the rest of it?

YOU'RE MAKING MY BRAIN HURT. UM............. SARAH CORNICLES OR SOMETHING.

Close. It's "The Sarah Connor Chronicles". Now who else has the job of protecting John?

SARAH CONNOR?

Yes! Very good. Sarah's job is to protect John. And that's an important job to Sarah, isn't it? She's spent her whole adult life protecting him. In "Brothers of Nablus", she told John "My job is to protect you and you can hate me as much as you want, but I will keep doing that as long as I'm here." And do you remember what Cameron said to Sarah in the episode "Heavy Metal"?

I REMEMBER CAMERON HAD ON PRETTY LIPSTICK.

Yes, but she said something important to Sarah when she had the pretty lipstick on. Cameron said "Without John, your life has no purpose." Protecting John and being his mother is both Sarah's job and her purpose. It's what gives her life meaning — it's all she knows.

HA HA! SARAH ISN'T GOING TO HAVE PURPOSE FOR LONG CUZ CAMERON IS WAY BETTER.

Do you think Sarah ever worries about that?

SHE SHOULD CUZ THE ONLY WAY SARAH COULD EVER BE AS GOOD AS CAMERON IS IF SHE BECAME A MACHINE LIKE CAMERON AND KILLED PEOPLE TO PROTECT JOHN.

You mean the way she killed WInston in "Some Must Watch While Some Must Sleep"?

DUDE!

Is it beginning to make sense to you?

MAYBE BUT WHY DID WE NEED A WHOLE EPISODE FOR SARAH TO POP A CAP IN THAT GUY? AND THEN THEY DIDN'T EVEN SHOW HIS BRAINS ALL XPLODED.

They focused on the trigger pull because Winston's death wasn't anywhere near as important as the fact that Sarah killed him.

While Sarah was all drugged up and being interrogated by Winston, she was having dreams about being in a sleep clinic. In those dreams, all her fears and worries were playing out. That's why Cameron walked past John in her undies. That's why Cameron acted more human. That's why Cameron made tasty pancakes. And that's why Cameron was wearing Sarah's clothes. Sarah is worried that Cameron is taking over John's life — that she's becoming everything to him. And if Cameron becomes everything to John, where does that leave Sarah?

NOWHERE! DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN CALL IT CAMERON IN HER UNDIES CORNICLES?

Uh, no. Do you remember what John said about Cameron in "Samson & Delilah"?
"I need her. She saved my life. She saves my life!" (yelling that last sentence so Sarah would hear)

Do you remember what Sarah said to Kyle in "The Good Wound"?
"I'm not strong enough. I'm gonna die."

Do you remember what Kyle told Sarah in "The Good Wound"?
"You're not one of them."

And what did John say to Sarah when he visited her in the sleep clinic?
"You need to get better. I need you to get better. Remember, you're not like [Cameron]."

HAHA! EVERYONE KEEPS BEATING SARAH IN THE HEAD FOR NOT BEING AS GOOD AS CAMERON!

Right. And she's kind of been beating herself in the head about it too. She thinks she needs to be more like Cameron — more like a machine so she can protect John and stop Skynet. Do you remember seeing John kill Sarkissian in the flashback in "The Tower is Tall, but the Fall is Short"?

SNAPPED HIS NECK!!!

But John felt weird about that, didn't he? He was traumatized and we eventually found out (in "Brothers of Nablus") that he blamed his mom. "Why didn't you protect me from that?"

YEAH JOHN WAS ALL BRATTY EMO. HAHAHA!

Sarah has always protected John. Always. But because she couldn't get out of her handcuff in time, John stopped Sarkissian. He shouldn't have blamed Sarah, but she felt guilty about it anyway since it's her job to protect him and she couldn't do it.

SHE SURE GOT OUT OF HER HANDCUFFS THIS TIME!!!! BIT HER HAND AND BROKE HER THUMB TO GET OUT OF THEM!

Bingo. She is determined now to protect John no matter what. Now let's recap Sarah's journey so you can understand it a bit better.

IS THIS GONNA TAKE LONG?

Just listen.

Sarah went on a quest in the desert to find out about the 3 dots symbol from the blood wall. On this quest, she met Alan Park (who was pretending to be someone else: Eileen). Alan said lots of very important things to Sarah that made her think about her own life. She said things like:

"They killed Alan Park and I thank them for it. They gave me a gift, the life I was scared to lead. Before this happened, I was a cog in the machine — ordinary, repressed. How many people dare to live the life they dream of? Face their real fears about who they really are, not their houses or their jobs or their habits, but their deepest truest selves?"

And what did Sarah say about all that? She said "I used to be a waitress. Killed her too."

HAHA! SHE WAS A SUCKY WAITRESS IN THE TERMINATOR BUT THEN SHE WAS A CRAZY MENTAL PATIENT IN TERMINATOR 2.

Yes. That's called duality. Sarah has these two sides to herself: the normal (sucky waitress) person and the crazy (mental patient) warrior. But we never saw how Sarah transformed from one to the other, did we? We never saw how Sarah "killed" her waitress self and became the warrior.

NO CUZ SHE WAS JUST ALREADY HARDCORE BADASS WHEN WE SAW HER IN T2.

Right. But after T2, she thought Skynet had been stopped. So she became less crazy, less hardcore, less of a warrior and more like the normal person again — more like the waitress. Ever since Sarah found out Skynet didn't get stopped, she's been dealing with these two sides of herself. It's kind of like the change in her that we didn't get to see between T1 and T2. She's been struggling with it.

BUT SHE NEEDS TO BE TOUGH TO STOP SKYNET!

True, but she didn't want to go back to being the crazy hard warrior. She was afraid of being that way again. Remember little Marty Bedell in "Goodbye to All That"? He told her she kind of sucked at being a mom and she said "I know, I'm working on it." She wants to stop Skynet, but she also wants to be a good mom too and it's hard to be both. Last time she was the warrior (in T2), she was kind of cold towards John.

HAHA. YEAH JOHN CRIED WHEN HIS MOM DIDN'T HUG HIM.

That wasn't supposed to be a funny, but yes, that's what happened. And do you also remember how Sarah almost killed someone in T2 when she got really determined to change John's fate?

"DYSON. MILES DYSON! SHE'S GONNA BLOW HIM AWAY!"

Miles Dyson, yes. She regretted trying to kill Miles and felt guilty that he died anyway. In "The Turk", she promised his widow, Terissa, that "no one dies in vain." Sarah doesn't want to kill people because she believes that human life has value. In other words, she believes it's sacred.

HEY! JUST LIKE ELLISON SAID TO JOHN HENRY!

See how it's all connected?

It was easier for Sarah to protect John when they were running and hiding. She had the luxury of not having to face an enemy straight on. But now that they're staying in the same city to fight Skynet, she has to deal with any threats that come along or John could get killed. How can she protect him if she can't just grab him and run and she won't kill anyone? This has been Sarah's dilemma.

IS THAT WHY SHE POPPED WINSTON IN THE HEAD?

That's why. All of this stuff that Sarah's been thinking about came to a climax at that moment.

Think about her being hesitant to agree to stop Skynet in the pilot.
Think about her identity crisis in Gnothi Seauton.
Think about her wrestling with the idea of killing someone in The Turk.
Think about her panic over losing John in Heavy Metal.
Think about her being reminded of Kyle in Queen's Gambit.
Think about her sadness when Charley left in Dungeons and Dragons.
Think about her guilt about the video tape in The Demon Hand.
Think about her frustration about people getting killed in Vick's Chip.
Think about her stand-off with the gunman in What He Beheld.
Think about her speech to John through the bathroom door in Samson & Delilah.
Think about her worry about mortality in Automatic for the People.
Think about her decision in the van in The Mousetrap.
Think about her remembering John's birth in Allison from Palmdale.
Think about her words from The Wizard of Oz in Goodbye to All That.
Think about her memory of John killing Sarkissian in The Tower is Tall but the Fall is Short.
Think about her letting the boy go in the bowling alley in Brothers of Nablus.
Think about her smashing Cromartie's chip in Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today.
Think about her dreams in Complications.
Think about her smashing the mirror in Strange Things Happen at the One-Two Point.
Think about her hallucinations of herself in Earthlings Welcome Here.
Think about her experience with Kyle in The Good Wound.
Think about her comments to Zoe's mom in Desert Cantos.

Then think about her killing Winston in Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep.

THAT'S TOO MUCH THINKING!!!!! ALL I WANNA KNOW IS HOW DID SHE KNOW WINSTON WASN'T A DREAM? I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW!

She knew because she'd just been killed in the sleep clinic. How could she be alive in the back of Winston's van if she was dead? The only way that could have happened is if the sleep clinic was all a dream and the van was real.

OH!!!!!!! COOL.

When Sarah realized it was real and heard Winston talking about her son on the phone, she knew she had to get free and stop him. This wasn't just some kid at a bowling alley that robbed her house, this was a bad guy making bad plans to get her son. He was a true threat to John.

CAMERON WOULD KILL WINSTON IN 2 SECONDS FLAT BECAUSE SHE IS AWESOME.

The point is Sarah was afraid that she was failing in her mission to protect John and that if she didn't change — if she didn't get hardcore badass again — she might get him killed and/or she might lose him to Cameron. So Sarah made the decision to kill Winston. She did what Cameron would have done. And that was the moment of transformation.

BUT SHE ALREADY THOUGHT SHE KILLED WINSTON BEFORE, SO WHY WAS IT SUCH A BIG DEAL?

Do you remember what Sarah said to John in the sleep clinic?

"I'm not supposed to defend myself, I'm supposed to defend you."

Killing Winston in self-defense in the middle of a life or death fight wasn't a choice Sarah thought about. She just did it. But when she killed him this time, she knew what she was doing. She made a conscious choice to put the gun to his head and pull the trigger. And she did it to defend her son.

I TOTALLY GET IT NOW!!!!!! SARAH TRANSFORMERED HERSELF TO BE LIKE CAMERON. BOUT FREKIN TIME TOO. THAT TOOK FOREVER.

When Winston wanted Sarah to call her son, she told him she'd die first. And what did he say to that? "Oh you'd like that — to die. But it's never that easy is it?"

The same thing happened with the Nurse. She wanted Sarah to call to John and Sarah said "I'd die first." And what did the nurse say? She said "You'd like that — to die. It's never that easy."

Sarah had to completely let go of herself — she had to die, in a sense (that's why she got killed in the dream), to make this transformation into the hardcore warrior again. It took a long time because it wasn't an easy process to go through.

I BET SHE IS GONNA KICK ASS NOW! IT'S ABOUT TIME SHE GOT ALL HARDCORE. NOW MAYBE EVERYTHING WILL BE AWESOME AND BLOW UP.

Well, I have no doubt she'll kick ass, but I'll leave you to ponder what she said to John in "What He Beheld"...

"That's our mission. This is our life. If we stop caring about that then we're lost."

WOW. MAYBE I SHOULD WATCH EPISODES MORE THAN ONCE AND ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THEM BEFORE I SAY THEY SUCK.

I concur.

WHAT DOES CONCUR MEAN?

Nevermind. We'll do vocabulary another day.

SO DO YOU THINK SARAH WILL WALK AROUND IN HER UNDIES NOW TOO?

...


ETA: The above post was linked to from the official TSCC blog back when I wrote it. That was really cool and while most of the comments about it there were positive, some people seemed to be put off by it. So in case anyone stumbles in here and has a negative reaction to what I wrote, here's a reposting of my reply to the comments there (I'm allergygal):

Thank you to the blog for linking to my LJ post. I’m kind of amazed by the response. It seems to have been well-received, but hey, it was poking fun at some so I accept the criticism of the presentation that a few expressed. Maybe I can clear up a few issues.

My use of the term “hater” was explained in the brief intro to the piece and I don’t know why anyone took offense to it. To fall under my definition, you’d have to have this attitude: “I didn’t understand that episode so it sucked.” Come on, anyone seriously offended?

I do find the idea of a simple boyfriend/girlfriend relationship between John and Cameron a bit silly, so I made a ridiculous caricature of a Cameron-drooling Jameron fan play my “idiot”. But no, I don’t think John/Cameron is idiotic. On a deeper level there’s definitely something to it. It’s been set up since the beginning of the series and has been unfolding ever since. John is confused and conflicted about his feelings towards Cameron and she is utterly devoted to him (purpose!). It’s a relationship to be sure, but it’s complex, it spans present and future, and I think we’ve got a long way to go on that story.

When I sat down to write about Sarah’s journey, I didn’t write it to tell anyone they didn’t understand it. I wrote it *for* anyone who didn’t understand it or maybe didn’t get it as fully as I delved into it. I never expected more than maybe a handful of friends to even read it, but I made it a public entry so anyone could. I’m glad so many have and that so many enjoyed it.

I personally find Sarah Connor to be the most fascinating character on television. I’ve loved the character since T1, but the way this show has developed her and the way Lena Headey has played her has brought Sarah Connor to life in a way I never expected. Her fierceness and determination are layered with an emotional depth that makes me believe her every sacrifice and feel her every struggle. And of course, she’s totally badass.




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spectralbovine
Mar. 5th, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
This was awesome and amazing and it seriously made me understand the show and Sarah's journey a lot better. I never even made the connection between Sarah and Cameron, that it had been there ALL ALONG. That she felt like she was being replaced. I always thought their issues were because she was a robot, but it went deeper!

"I need her. She saved my life. She saved my life."
ACTUALLY, the second time he said, "She saves my life." IT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT VERB TENSE.

(Also, this was funny. Obvs.)
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 01:55 am (UTC)
Thanks for catching my quote flub. Fixed it.

And hey, I'm glad it helped you. I'm in Sarah's head when I watch the show, so I feel like I know the character very well. This episode really blew me away because it just brought everything together that's been going on with her. Also, I was kind of annoyed after reading some comments on the official blog and the wiki, so I decided to write it all out while expressing some frustration. I feel better now :)
equustel
Mar. 5th, 2009 03:17 am (UTC)
I love this post so much. THANK YOU. (Freakin' hilarious, too.) I needed this after reading a bunch of headache-inducing posts on TWoP. I love that people always whine about "WHERE'S CAMERON" and "WHERE'S DEREK" and it never occurs to them: HEY, THIS SHOW HAS SO MANY COOL CHARACTERS, LOOK AT ALL THE DEMAND FOR MORE. MAYBE THE WRITERS DON'T SUCK ENTIRELY IF THEY CREATED ALL THIS COOLNESS.

Durr.

btw, congrats on being a celebrity per the official blog! ;)
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 07:12 am (UTC)
Well that was totally cool seeing the link on the blog :D

Yeah sometimes it seems like the fandom surrounding this show is so divided. I watch it for Sarah because I find her to be the most fascinating character. But I can still appreciate the brilliance of Allison from Palmdale. It'll just never be a favorite episode of mine because my favorite character is back-burner in that one.

I can understand people getting annoyed when their favorite character barely appears for a few eps in a row, but to have 4 episodes mid-season that focus on the title character doesn't seem like anything to get bent out of shape about. And it certainly isn't any reason to say the writing sucks (and I've seen far too many comments like that in recent weeks).
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sabaceanbabe
Mar. 5th, 2009 03:28 am (UTC)
Awesome recap of Sarah's journey. *standing ovation*

roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 07:13 am (UTC)
*curtsies*
Well thank you :)
raingin
Mar. 5th, 2009 03:51 am (UTC)
Thank you for this! I, too, got annoyed at all of the silly "this episode was so pointless" comments over at the official blog.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 07:23 am (UTC)
Me too. I'm happy to talk about what I don't like about an episode, but I can't imagine flat out slamming any episode in this series. There's always something to love. And this Sarah arc in particular really grabbed me.
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roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 07:32 am (UTC)
Thank you. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

Yeah, the show is so layered and it's too easy to miss a lot of the depth when you're just focused on plot point plot point plot point. Even aside from how much I love the character of Sarah Connor, I love how much there is to dig through in each episode. There's always more to it than it seems.
lenageek
Mar. 5th, 2009 05:39 am (UTC)
Applause, applause, applause! Way to get a well thought out explanation of Sarah's character out while using the hater's arguments against them (that's if they can have the intelligence to read this of course!) and a lot of humor! You rock, Roxy! Well deserved accolades on the SCC blog as well!
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 07:40 am (UTC)
Thanks LG.

Uh-oh, you think the haters might be coming for me now? I may have to transform myself into a total killing machine to fend them off. Damn. That might take a while — it's never easy, you know. Actually, that could work in my favor. If it takes a few eps for me to transform, they might get bored and go away. ;)


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cj2017
Mar. 5th, 2009 08:35 am (UTC)
Awesome girlie. Should be required reading on the Wiki. No one involved in this show should be apologising for focusing storylines on Sarah. They should look at the episodes they've just produced - Earthlings, The Good Wound, Some Must Watch... and stand up and say "fuck yeah, those were ours, and they're some of our best. Deal with it." But then, you already know this :-)
FWIW, I don't think Sarah killed Winston without hesitation the first time around. There was a struggle going on with herself even then - she tried to headbutt him first before finally pulling the trigger. Second time around, it was all about John but something tells me that's not going to make it any easier for her...
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 09:14 am (UTC)
They should look at the episodes they've just produced - Earthlings, The Good Wound, Some Must Watch... and stand up and say "fuck yeah, those were ours, and they're some of our best. Deal with it."

Which is why I wrote this. These episodes were fucking brilliant.

I don't think Sarah killed Winston without hesitation the first time around

I don't either and I hope I didn't imply that. She didn't want to do it, but she was out of options and so *BANG*. It was more than a reflex, but I didn't see it as a strategic decision either.

something tells me that's not going to make it any easier for her

Agreed. I don't see her going around shooting people like Cameron would even now. But she's clearly crossed over. I'm looking forward to finding out how it plays out in the episodes ahead.
cospinol
Mar. 5th, 2009 09:25 am (UTC)
Ha! Well done. I still have mixed feelings about it to tell the truth. Even as I was enjoying the last few episodes I had a twisting feeling in my gut because it was obvious how the masses would react. And we so need the masses.

It's embarrassing to be a John x Cameron fan these days because of how simplistic most people's views are. Instant gratification that people so yearn for is the worst thing that could happen for that plot.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 11:04 am (UTC)
We do need the masses, we do need the ratings. But I hate the idea that the show needs to be something other than it is to try to lure viewers. I want so badly for this show to succeed on its own terms because its so good.

I only wish we could time jump back and start this series on Fridays at 9pm, marketed as an adult sci-fi drama. I think we'd have a larger female audience and the numbers would be on solid ground. Ack. I could drive myself crazy over that stuff. Anyway...

The whole John/Cameron thing is idiotic to me in simple boyfriend/girlfriend terms, which is generally all anyone seems to talk about. But on a deeper level there's definitely something to it. It's been set up since the beginning of the series and has been unfolding ever since. I would be shocked (and squicked) if John and Cameron ever became lovers or we ever found out that they were lovers in the future. I really don't see that happening.

What I think is going on between them is John being confused about his feelings towards Cameron and she being utterly devoted to him. It's a relationship to be sure, but it's complex, it spans present and future, and we've got a long way to go on that story.
caporali
Mar. 5th, 2009 09:35 am (UTC)
Brilliant post! Got here through SCC's blog. So glad I found it. I too am in Sarah's head when I watch the show, but I never would have understood (let alone explain) her journey as well as you have. :) Bravo!!!
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 11:09 am (UTC)
Hey thanks and I'm glad you found it. I don't think I was going to be able to stop thinking about this episode until I wrote all that out ;)
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smacky_ff
Mar. 5th, 2009 11:46 am (UTC)
Great!! (I don't know when will I see this episode... the new episodes, but I'll keep this guide in mind)
roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 06:53 pm (UTC)
I hope you'll love it as much as I did. It really is an important episode in Sarah's story.
fujii_itsuki
Mar. 5th, 2009 02:15 pm (UTC)
Very enlightening I must say. I've been enjoying Sarah's journey so far but this post have really connected the dots for me and deepen my appreciation of the show and the complexity of the character that is Sarah Connor. So, thanks for the awesomeness~ ;)
roxybisquaint
Mar. 6th, 2009 01:22 am (UTC)
Thank you. I find Sarah such a fascinating character and it makes me happy that so many others do too.
jeck7
Mar. 5th, 2009 06:11 pm (UTC)
That was brilliant. Everyone should read this esp those that complain so much about the writing, the story not moving forward, that all they want are certain moments with certain characters and the list goes on (unfortunately).

I love this show. It makes you think because every episode means something. I love how deep and complex it is.

Thank you for sharing this. Kudos to you.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 6th, 2009 02:04 am (UTC)
Thank you. Yeah, I like to dissect episodes and talk about stuff that I didn't think worked as much as what I thought was awesome, but when people just tell the writers over and over again that they're doing it wrong, it drives me nuts. There's so much substance to this show. I just plain love it. Glad you enjoyed the read :)
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roxybisquaint
Mar. 6th, 2009 02:20 am (UTC)
I agree. SMWWSMS really could have fallen flat if the dream/reality aspect had come across as a gimmicky device, but it didn't. The directing was fabulous and it worked so. well. I so glad you found my post and enjoyed it. The best thing about it is all the new people I've met :)
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roxybisquaint
Mar. 5th, 2009 06:51 pm (UTC)
I love you more :)
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jwh_s4g
Mar. 5th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
Simply excellent
The sentence "MAYBE I SHOULD WATCH EPISODES MORE THAN ONCE AND ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT THEM BEFORE I SAY THEY SUCK." pretty much says it all.

To be completely honest i did not see all the things you point out in the excellent post, but i concur and agree.

Excellent, well thought out and presented. Thank you for taking the time to express and share this so creatively.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 6th, 2009 02:24 am (UTC)
Re: Simply excellent
LOL and thanks :)

There's plenty to like about TSCC on surface, but it's so rewarding to dig beneath. It really is awesome, isn't it?

i concur and agree.

You can skip tomorrow's vocab lesson ;)
trystanknight
Mar. 5th, 2009 09:26 pm (UTC)
Amazing
Thank you muchly for this, you made several connections I was unable to see until you drew them out. I'm pleased as punch they linked to this on the TSCC writer's blog. I understand a great deal more now and adore you for what you've done here.

Though, personally, I hope Sarah does wander around her undies ;)
spectralbovine
Mar. 5th, 2009 10:28 pm (UTC)
Re: Amazing
I would not mind that either.

You know, it sort of baffles me that Fox is going the Hot Chick Kicking Ass route of promoting the show but focusing entirely on Summer Glau. Um, Lena Headey is pretty attractive, you guys. Remember that time she was naked in 300? Aren't geeky comic-book boys the targeted demographic for those ads?

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ide_cyan
Mar. 5th, 2009 11:05 pm (UTC)
Hi. I added this to my Memories but forgot to say "great post". So: Great post!

I have a little quibble with one sentence, though:

On this quest, she met Alan Park (who was pretending to be someone else: Eileen).

I don't think that Alan was pretending to be Eileen as much as Eileen no longer had to pretend to be Alan.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 6th, 2009 02:14 am (UTC)
Thanks :)
I thought his quote kind of spoke for itself in that regard, but thanks for bringing it up. In "Eileen's" mind, Alan Park was dead and he was now free to live the life he felt he was meant to live. Excellent point.
gothamite66
Mar. 6th, 2009 12:42 am (UTC)
Best "Idiot's Guide" ever! :)

Although, I think it will still fly right on over their heads.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 6th, 2009 02:08 am (UTC)
Hee. I think you're right. The show has plenty to offer for people who don't want to watch episodes repeatedly and delve deep into character study. But isn't it just so much more fun to get that into it? I love this show!
miz_m
Mar. 6th, 2009 06:10 am (UTC)
Brilliant!
Excellent thread, thank you! The writers couldn't have said it better themselves. The depth of this show is amazing. I love going over the details and learning new things each time. Reminds me of reading a Sherlock Holmes novel. Well played, my dear. This show has plenty of draw for women. Talk about role models! And those of us who grew up in the 60's are all about saving the world. I'm delighted to have found this journal, thanks to the SCC writers.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 6th, 2009 08:36 am (UTC)
Re: Brilliant!
Thank you very much.

I keep hearing how this show doesn't have a large female audience and I'm shocked by that, I really am. I suspect that the vast majority of DVR viewers are female and they just don't know it.

I'm an 80s chick myself, so I saw T1 as a teen and fell madly in love with the story. It just grabbed me like no other film had — robots, time travel, action, love, and a female character that was something more than just the girlfriend or the rescued victim. Jump forward a few years to T2 and I was in awe. Sarah Connor was pretty well cemented as my favorite character. And I love how TSCC has written her.
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roxybisquaint
Mar. 8th, 2009 12:16 am (UTC)
Thank you. I'm glad you found it and enjoyed it.
2guystalking
Mar. 9th, 2009 01:14 pm (UTC)
An outsanding post - I shall visit regularly...
Greetings!

Thanks so much for a very introspective post that I will be sure to share with our TERMINATOR Podcast listenership.

Your take on things, including the inane banter of the rabble made me laugh and enjoy this post a lot.

Thanks again for your expanded look at a LOT of detail that I really appreciate.

Have a great day and I look forward to your future posts.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 9th, 2009 03:11 pm (UTC)
Re: An outsanding post - I shall visit regularly...
Awesome. Please do. I think a lot of viewers (even you 2Guys!) missed the point of this episode.

It's amazing how much character depth they've built in such a short time on this show. And this is just Sarah and it's not even complete. The problem, I think, is that people tend to approach TSCC as primarily an action show (it's the one drawback of having Terminator in the title) when really it's a character-driven sci-fi drama with action.

Anyway, I'm glad you found this and enjoyed it.
indiefic
Mar. 9th, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
I LOVE YOU!

Sorry, but RL blew up. I'm trying to catch up ...

Also, Sarah should totally walk around in her undies ;)
roxybisquaint
Mar. 9th, 2009 05:53 pm (UTC)
So this RL thing, it didn't involve time bombs, land mines or C4 did it?
I hope it's all good now.

Considering you're one of the few people giving me a periodic Sarah/Derek fix, I love you too :) And I guess Sarah in her undies would be okay... if Derek's nearby. She really needs to get laid.

This is the perfect way for my in-depth Sarah discussion to end — with a totally shallow comment about Sarah/Derek, undies and sex :P
shasplim
Mar. 10th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this insightful and hilarious analysis. Socratic method r00lz!
roxybisquaint
Mar. 11th, 2009 10:00 am (UTC)
A little smart-assery makes everything more fun to read, doesn't it? Glad you found this and enjoyed it :)
stevebrawner
Mar. 13th, 2009 07:08 pm (UTC)
I mostly agree
I thought that the "Crazy Sarah" theme went one episode too far, but I agree with much of your post - it's "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," not "Johnny loves Cami." She's a MACHINE, you freaks. Organic material covering a metallic endoskeleton, all controlled by a chip that makes decisions based on combinations of ones and zeros. She's killed a lot of people and still doesn't feel an ounce of guilt about it. She just happens to look like Summer Glau from our two-dimensional viewpoint.

John is going to struggle with some adolescent feelings, and she's going to brush up against her own near-humanity, but those two are never going to get together, and they shouldn't.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 13th, 2009 07:59 pm (UTC)
Re: I mostly agree
It was really only 3 episodes devoted to Sarah. Desert Cantos kind of broke it up a bit. It think it felt longer to the people who didn't enjoy it since it started with Earthlings in December and then picked back up with Good Wound in February and just finished with Some Must Watch 2 weeks ago.

I'm such a huge Sarah fan, that I'd be happy having all episodes being devoted to her! Heh. But it's nice when they strike a balance. I think the show works best when Sarah is at the center, but all the principals are significantly involved in the story — more like season 1.


John is going to struggle with some adolescent feelings, and she's going to brush up against her own near-humanity, but those two are never going to get together, and they shouldn't.

I tend to think John is over with the adolescent feelings about Cameron (since the "I love you" ploy), but he still seems very confused about anything he feels for her. Actually, I don't think he even knows or understands what he feels for or about her.

I started thinking about Cameron the other night and the next thing you know, I'd written up this huge long post about her. I haven't quite finished it yet, though. It's not anywhere near as in-depth as this, but Cameron's an interesting character. The bits of "humanity" that I we're kind of starting to see are, I think, more of a glitch than any kind of evolution. I like the way they're developing her. Hmm. I may have to go finish that post soon. :)





Edited at 2009-03-13 08:01 pm (UTC)
johnnypate
Mar. 15th, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
funny but depressing...
...depressing in that most people really are as dumb as your imaginary antagonist and that's why TSCC won't get an S3 when it's one of the best things ever.
roxybisquaint
Mar. 17th, 2009 05:25 am (UTC)
Re: funny but depressing...
Oh I think TSCC has a fairly intelligent audience for the most part. It's such a smart show, I would think people who don't get it would just get bored and stop watching.

I'm feeling optimistic about a 3rd season. When DVR numbers are factored in, I don't think the show has lost much audience at all since moving to Fridays, which is kind of impressive. And the ratings actually rose for this past episode. If we can crack 4 million live and keep up those high DVR numbers, I bet our chances are actually pretty good.

No fate.
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