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TSCC: Layout of the Connor house & grounds

Apr. 30th, 2008 at 2:01 AM

Ever wonder what obsessed fans (after this, I think I can own that label) do when they should be working? Well I'll tell you. They try to figure out the mystery of the Connor house layout. To do that, they watch every scene of "The Sarah Connor Chronicles" that's set in and around the house over and over again to pick up on clues to the floor plan. Next, they spend tedious hours diagramming the whole thing, even going so far as to add in furniture. Okay, so maybe all obsessed fans don't do that, but this one does—did. I love drawing floor plans anyway, so really this was a lot of fun for me. And now on to the fruits of my labor...

Keep in mind this is essentially a work-in-progress because there are sections of the house we've not seen, including a room behind the kitchen, a third bedroom on the first floor, and an upper level. Based on the layout of Cameron's room and the hallway outside of it. So I believe her room is upstairs. And either Derek is using that 3rd bedroom on the 1st floor (and we just haven't seen him in it yet) or he probably soon will be if he stays with the Connors.

If you have any questions about the layout or think something is wrong, let me know. The images are all the same, just different sizes. Take your pick:

Connor House Layout: 800 x 445 png

Connor House Layout: 1000 x 556 png

Connor House Layout: 1500 x 834 png

A fun thing I picked up from doing this (read no further if you haven't seen "What He Beheld")...
At the end of the finale, Sarah looks out John's window when she hears the explosion, but that window faces another house, not the street. The jeep would have most likely been parked on the kitchen side of the house (which is where they seem to come and go from most of the time) and there's no way she could have seen anything from that window.

NOTE: a new version with Cameron's room on the main level is available here.

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green_wing wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 06:40 am (UTC)

Wow, that is freakin awesome Dude :D
I just love completely obssessive fans *LOL* they are the best!

This will be a great help to anyone plotting fic within the house :P

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 07:38 am (UTC)

Obsessive fan? Me? ;)
Glad you like it. The Connor house is quite intriguing and I'd been wanting to finish this for a while. If you hadn't asked for a house plan, I might never have done it. So thanks for motivating me. It was fun.

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green_wing wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 01:24 pm (UTC)

That's me, I poke and prod because I am completely untalented ;)

Seems pretty accurate, altho, one thing that bothers me about Cameron's room being upstairs?
Derek could barely make it from Sarah's room back to the couch, I don't see him being able to manage stairs in the same episode?
What do you think?
He seemed to walk from one room, across a hallway of sorts, and into her doorway, I suspect she might actually be on the ground floor somewhere?

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 05:52 pm (UTC)

I explain more in this comment a little further down the page. I really have no evidence to support her room being upstairs, but I can't make it fit on the main level anywhere.

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green_wing wrote:

May. 1st, 2008 12:06 am (UTC)

Just out of curiosity? Where is the leadlight ceiling located? :D
Yes, I am a curious kitty ;)

p.s. I can see your reasoning, but my sticking point is still "he couldn't make it upstairs after having both lungs drained and one collapsed from shooting, he was still bleeding even."? :O

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roxybisquaint wrote:

May. 1st, 2008 12:09 am (UTC)

Actually, I've had cause to reconsider Cameron's bedroom on the main level and I'm reworking the diagram. I'll update in a little while.

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green_wing wrote:

May. 1st, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)

REally? I am intrigued :O :)
I can't wait for the next update then :D
This is all so intereting to me :D

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roxybisquaint wrote:

May. 1st, 2008 07:35 am (UTC)

New layout

The new version with Cameron's room on the main level is now posted HERE.

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roxybisquaint wrote:

May. 1st, 2008 06:14 am (UTC)

Where is the leadlight ceiling located?

If you mean the leaded glass skylight from Dungeons & Dragons, that wasn't in the Connor house, it was in the building Derek as chained up in, in the future.

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green_wing wrote:

May. 1st, 2008 10:25 am (UTC)

Damn, I thought for sure it was somewhere in the Connor house? *is confuzzled*

Oh well, just an excuse to watch again :D

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monanotlisa wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 07:58 am (UTC)

I admire your...dedication, that's the word! & ;-)

No, seriously: awesome! I'm so looking forward to next season.

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 09:41 am (UTC)

Thanks :)

Edited at 2008-04-30 09:42 am (UTC)

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omega_ii wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 08:28 am (UTC)

I remember seeing Derek walk down the hall to Cam's room from the sofa, so it would have to be on the the same floor, right?

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 09:41 am (UTC)

I didn't see that. If you can let me know which episode it was, I'll double-check. The only time Derek's been to Cameron's room that's I've seen was during Vick's Chip, when they were all in there to remove her chip (and you never saw anyone walk to her room, they cut to the scene), and at the end of The Demon Hand when he stands in her doorway and watches her ballet. In that scene, he walks up to the doorway from the adjacent hall.

It's actually the bit of the hall that you see in that scene that led me to believe her room couldn't be the third bedroom on the main level, so the only other spot it could be is behind the kitchen or upstairs, but I wouldn't expect a bedroom to be in that space behind the kitchen.

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omega_ii wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 10:49 am (UTC)

I just checked my tape, I remembered it wrong. And I didn't notice the house exterior, did in fact, have a second floor.

Either they screwed up and put John and Cam's room in the same spot when she should be in the spare room on F1 or Derek REALLY needs to complain about not having a room.

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 09:37 am (UTC)

UPDATE

I made some minor changes to the diagram.

Something just wasn't sitting right with me in the foyer, so I rechecked some stuff and made some changes.

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indiefic wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC)

This is so freakin' awesome!!! You win at life :D

I was completely expecting this to be a joke post to this Onion article. Hee!

You rock!

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 04:28 pm (UTC)

I've seen than Onion article before but it's been a while. OMG that's hilarious :D

Edited at 2008-04-30 04:29 pm (UTC)

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un4scene wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 12:30 pm (UTC)

This is so fantaboulous, and it's all shiny and professional looking!

The only thing I had a question about is the swing set. I had a distinct feeling it was in the backyard as it seemed to be in a fenced in area (seen in eps 7)... unless they have their front yard fenced in, which is odd but not out of the realm of possibility.

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life_on_queen wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 12:46 pm (UTC)

I think the backyard is actually the front of the house. Street access seems to be from the two kitchen doors.

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un4scene wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 01:11 pm (UTC)

Ah, ok. That does make sense then!

It's funny, I was just going through clips last night while working on a vid, and the exterior shots of the house just don't jive with what they show us of the inside. Silly writers!

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)

Actually, I found they mostly match. About the only discrepancy I found was the front of the house, which has solid double-doors from the outside and a single stained glass door from the inside. Also, Sarah's bedroom wall that's opposite her bed. From the inside there are 3 windows on it, from the outside, only 2. Other than that, it all matches what we've seen inside.

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 04:35 pm (UTC)

They kind of make the front of the house seem like the back yard, but yeah, the swing set is out front. It appears to be a corner lot and the street runs along the front of the house and the kitchen side of the house (mute chola is seen driving on those 2 sides of the house in "What He Beheld").

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life_on_queen wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)

Awesome. I've been looking through scenes and I think you've done an awesome job. From the looks of Cameron's room, I think it's got to be between Sarah and John's. You'd think the terminator would keep a close eye on the two of them.

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 05:47 pm (UTC)

I had a feeling we were going to have to do this the hard way! I tried to fit Cameron's room into that bedroom between Sarah's and John's, but the view we get of the hallway outside her room (when Derek watches her do her ballet) doesn't match with the main level hallway:

Hallway outside Cameron's room.

Also, we catch a glimpse of some furnishings in that 3rd bedroom on the main level in "Vick's Chip" as Sarah is walking to the bathroom to confront Derek in the shower. You have to slow-mo to see, but the furniture in there doesn't match what's in Cameron's room.

Edited at 2008-04-30 06:22 pm (UTC)

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un4scene wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 10:03 pm (UTC)

Wowz, that is the most fan(dom)tastic use of visual aids ever. I love that Derek is in the floor plan graphic, I was half expecting Cameron to be there also as a little ballerina slipper or little toaster icon.

I will never doubt the floor plan again.

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life_on_queen wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 11:02 pm (UTC)

Well, there are two answers to that - neither satisfactory:

1) I think Cameron's room is actually Sarah's room redressed., which extrapolated into the 'verse means it's either on the second
above Sarah's, which makes no sense as we have no reason to think the Connors are occupying more than one floor, or it's the next one down the hall. The light source in the cap is troubling but the room behind Derek seems to be the living room, which would fit, sort of, with the tracking shot of Sarah moving from John's room to hers in "Vick's Chip" where she seemed to go down the hall, around a short wall and then right into her bedroom.

Also, if we take the ever-mutating furniture arrangement in John's room, the furnishings in Camp Connor are pretty fluid, so the contents of Cameron's room not matching previously established shots should be discounted.

2) There can't be more than three bedrooms in the Connor's living space because Derek was sleeping on the couch with a gunshot wound, which implies both it's easier to look after him there but also all other space was allocated. I'm guessing Cameron has a room with clothes and bed a) for cover and b) so John and Sarah don't have to watch her change.

I'd kind of like to mail your layout to the production offices to get some feedback, eh?

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 11:48 pm (UTC)

Back to the drawing board

You know, I discounted that possibility because I didn't see the chair rail molding on that wall that you think is the living room wall (and I still don't), but in watching the scene again, I apparently missed a small section of wall behind Derek (you can't see it in that still shot, but he moves right after that) that has the chair rail and same lower wall paper as the main level hallway. I think I'm convinced now. I also think my assumption of where that wall is in the photo/diagram is wrong too. That wall is beyond a door frame (now leading me to believe it's the foyer wall outside the living room. Curses!! My conclusion was unfounded.

This will take some work because I'm going to have to move John's room over to make that center bedroom bigger to account for the Cameron's furniture and also the closet in the back corner. That'll teach me to post a floor plan before taking ample time to obsess over the finished product. I've already updated the thing like 4 times. :D

I doubt you'd get any answer from production, but if you want to, wait until I've fiddled with moving Cameron's room.

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life_on_queen wrote:

May. 1st, 2008 12:01 am (UTC)

Re: Back to the drawing board

doubt you'd get any answer from production, but if you want to, wait until I've fiddled with moving Cameron's room.

Yes, because I? Tonnes of access to TSCC production offices. And if I did, you already know that floorplan would be somewhat low on the list of talking points ;)

This will take some work because I'm going to have to move John's room over to make that center bedroom bigger to account

The hallway from John to Sarah's room is fairly long - about two or three beats in that scene in VC.

You so know I'm printing this out when you're done.

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sabaceanbabe wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)

Poor Derek. Still relegated to the living room couch. So sad.

In other words, awesome job! :D

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 08:03 pm (UTC)

I'm sure he'll be taking up residence in that center bedroom soon enough if he stays on in the Connor house. But I do have to wonder why he was on the couch in the first place when they had a spare room.

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ls_silence wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 02:23 pm (UTC)

this is brilliant :)

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aurora_84 wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 03:57 pm (UTC)

I am impressed by your dedication. \o/

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lizardbeth_j wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)

this is cool! I love things like this.

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roxybisquaint wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)

UPDATE

Made some changes, so the images have been updated.

And thanks for the comments everyone.

Edited at 2008-04-30 08:03 pm (UTC)

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taraljc wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)

YOU ARE AWESOME.

(I did this for both Serenity and Jake Foley's apartments back in th eday, and remember how freaking LONG it takes).

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mscam wrote:

Apr. 30th, 2008 10:15 pm (UTC)

This is wonderful. Thanks so much for sharing! :)

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